[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Paschal Ochang]

If you have been following the discussions you will see that answers and
clarifications have been given a million and one times. You can take a
horse to a stream but you can't force it to drink water. Is it a matter of
why is the discussion revolving around Larus or its a matter of  who are
those starting the discussions? By the way I think you are referring to a
different organisation and not the one in contention cos the discussion is
not about LARIUS.

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020, APH <pascal at irenala.edu.mg> wrote:


> Hi all,

>

> If there are several Fellowship programs. Why the discussion revolves

> around Larius?

> the Laruis foundation must explain its functioning on the blurred point

> for the members of the community this makes it possible to clarify the

> things.

> If there is transparency, the members of the community will not ask

> themselves the question because I think that everyone acts for good of the

> community.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pascal

> Le 2020-03-03 à 10:49, Nasir Faruk a écrit :

>

> @Badru Ntege,

>

> In response to what Daniel submitted, could you please substantiate the

> real issue you felt not addressed?

>

> I quite agree with Daniel's submissions.  I was just wondering what the

> term "Genuine Sponsor" could mean from those having negative thoughts about

> the LARUS fellowship programme. Could it be they are referring to the kind

> of sponsors that dictates how the meeting should flow?

>

> I am yet to see the real issue with the LARUS and if none can be clearly

> identified then I suggest the sponsors of this discussion to keep shut!

>

> Regards.

>

> Faruk.

>

>

>

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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:49 PM <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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>> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:46:52 +0000

>> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

>> To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Lamiaa Chnayti

>>         <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

>> Cc: Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource

>>         Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> @Daniel Many questions were answered and many more asked.  Because an

>> answer was given should mot bring the presumption that things are OK.

>>

>> When you say previously denied.  You seem to make it sound like some

>> people were prevented.  To my knowledge all AfriNIC meetings have. been

>> streamed and also recordings made available.

>>

>> Lets not deflect from real issues raised and the practical suggestions

>> from members.

>>

>> The assumption that members should just accept because enough people

>> repeated the same answers many times does not make the issue disappear.

>>

>> There?s something not right.  Please listen to the voices of others and

>> not yours only.

>>

>> Regards

>>

>> Badru Ntege

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>> ________________________________

>> From: Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:25 PM

>> To: Lamiaa Chnayti; Arnaud AMELINA

>> Cc: Kakel Mbumb; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

>>

>>

>> Dear All,

>>

>> I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus Foundation and

>> have since resumed doing important things on the PDP. But I can see the

>> devil is still in the details, regarding this matter.

>>

>> I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has shown its

>> transparency as best as they can, but this does not satisfy some members of

>> the community. I can also see that these community members are not happy

>> because Larus Foundation has brought "previously denied persons" to AfriNIC

>> meeting, and in the process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.

>>

>> I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor is

>> unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a perceive

>> enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.

>>

>> Simply,

>>

>> Daniel

>>

>>

>> On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:

>> Pri?re ? VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les messages pr?c?dents

>> parce que tout a ?t? adress? et pourtant vous continuez ? r?p?ter ce qui a

>> d?j? ?t? mentionn?.

>>

>> Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et r?p?titive qu'elle ne

>> suit plus aucune logique.

>>

>> Il ne s'agit justement pas de d?fendre ou d'attaquer mais de comprendre.

>> Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas plus de temps ? r?pondre ? des questions

>> auquelles moi et plein de gens ont d?j? r?pondu.

>>

>> J'esp?re que cette discussion non productive prendra fin et qu'on puisse

>> enfin se focaliser sur des sujets plus importants pour la communaut?.

>>

>> Cordialement,

>>

>>

>>

>> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 9:44 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:

>> amelnaud at gmail.com>> a ?crit :

>>

>>

>> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com<

>> mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> a ?crit :

>> Je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.

>>

>> Je trouve qu'il est tr?s normal pour une organisation d'?tre partielle

>> tant que cel? se fait en objectivit? totale.

>> Et en quoi a-t-elle ?t? partiale ? Lorsqu'elle pr?pare des documents au

>> jugement biais? pour remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent pour

>> la premi?re fois aux r?unions d'Afrinic  et pour certains c'est la premi?re

>> fois qu'ils quittent leur pays pour l'ext?rieur, je comprendrai leur

>> d?voiement ? d?fendre l'ind?fendable.

>>

>> Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-?tre pas l'exception mais se comporte au

>> moins d'une mani?re objective et dont les travaux sont b?n?fiques pour la

>> communaut? Africaine.

>> Ces Travaux sont b?n?fiques tu dis ? certaines communaut?s africaines,

>> Hummm J'en doute fort qu'elles soient b?n?fiques, mais plut?t nuisible oui.

>>

>> Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la comparer ? ses

>> semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans pr?-requis.

>>

>> Que veux-tu dire sans pr?-requis, je pense plut?t que ceux qui d?fendent

>> cette fondation, sont ceux-l? m?me justement qui manquent ? mon humble avis

>> de pr?-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont d?fendus dans ces d?bats

>> et discussions. Pri?re lire les anciens message de cette liste  et regarder

>> les anciennes vid?os des r?unions d'Afrinic. Avant de venir affirmer des

>> choses ici.

>>

>>

>> Cordialement,

>>

>> Lamiaa.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com<mailto:

>> kakelmbumb at gmail.com>> a ?crit :

>> Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce

>> n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes

>> pour des r?unions - l'OIF d?clare ouvertement que ?les OIF organisent des

>> activit?s politiques et des actions de coop?ration multilat?rale qui sont

>> au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversit?

>> culturelle et linguistique et servent ? promouvoir la langue fran?aise, la

>> paix et le d?veloppement durable ?sur leur site officiel.

>>

>> ?tant moi-m?me de langue maternelle fran?aise, je pense qu'il est plut?t

>> hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'?tre partielle tout en n'?voquant

>> rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont ?galement

>> form?es, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones

>> uniquement.

>>

>> Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des ann?es pour

>> amener les gens ? parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est

>> un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF repr?sentent

>> l'int?r?t de la population francophone. Larus est peut-?tre ? certains yeux

>> partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.

>>

>> Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est

>> partielle - il est in?vitable pour l'organisation de repr?senter l'int?r?t

>> de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester

>> juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ?a.

>>

>> Internet est une soci?t? ouverte - et j'exhorte tous ? ?tre non seulement

>> ouverts, mais aussi ? ?tre justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en

>> particulier.

>>

>> Cordialement.

>>

>> Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 04:08, <rpd-request at afrinic.net<mailto:

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>>    2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)

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>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000

>> From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:ma

>> domey at hotmail.com>>

>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>

>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd@

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>> Hi Owen,

>>

>> You wrote

>>

>> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can

>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion."

>>

>>

>> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

>>

>> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us

>> move on.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>>

>>

>> Marcus

>>

>> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> ________________________________

>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>

>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM

>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>

>> Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>; AfriNIC Resource

>> Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>>

>> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is

>> about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a PDP,

>> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only

>> theirs.

>>

>> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can

>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion.

>>

>> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.

>>

>> Owen

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>> To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com

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>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd@

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>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s

>> opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?

>>

>> As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have

>> merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a

>> public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no

>> real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would

>> increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our

>> fellowship program.

>>

>> Owen

>>

>>

>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com

>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:

>> >

>> > Hi Owen,

>> >

>> > You wrote

>> >

>> > "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss

>> and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we

>> can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion."

>> >

>> >

>> > Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

>> >

>> > Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help

>> us move on.

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Marcus

>> >

>> > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html <

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>

>> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM

>> > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com

>> >>

>> > Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>; AfriNIC Resource

>> Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> >

>> > > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is

>> about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a PDP,

>> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only

>> theirs.

>> >

>> > I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can

>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion.

>> >

>> > That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to

>> me.

>> >

>> > Owen

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