If you have been following the discussions you will see that answers and clarifications have been given a million and one times. You can take a horse to a stream but you can't force it to drink water. Is it a matter of why is the discussion revolving around Larus or its a matter of who are those starting the discussions? By the way I think you are referring to a different organisation and not the one in contention cos the discussion is not about LARIUS. <br><br>On Wednesday, March 4, 2020, APH <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi all, <br>
</p>
<p>If there are several Fellowship programs. Why the discussion
revolves around Larius?<br>
the Laruis foundation must explain its functioning on the blurred
point for the members of the community this makes it possible to
clarify the things.<br>
If there is transparency, the members of the community will not
ask themselves the question because I think that everyone acts for
good of the community.</p>
<p>Regards, <br>
</p>
<p>Pascal<br>
</p>
<div>Le 2020-03-03 à 10:49, Nasir Faruk a
écrit :<br>
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<div>@<span style="font-family:sans-serif">Badru Ntege,</span></div>
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<div dir="auto">In response to what Daniel submitted, could you
please substantiate the real issue you felt not addressed?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I quite agree with Daniel's submissions. I was
just wondering what the term "Genuine Sponsor" could mean from
those having negative thoughts about the LARUS fellowship
programme. Could it be they are referring to the kind of
sponsors that dictates how the meeting should flow?</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I am yet to see the real issue with the LARUS
and if none can be clearly identified then I suggest the
sponsors of this discussion to keep shut!</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">Faruk.</div>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:46:52 +0000<br>
From: Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
To: Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>>,
Lamiaa Chnayti<br>
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@Daniel Many questions were answered and many more asked.
Because an answer was given should mot bring the
presumption that things are OK.<br>
<br>
When you say previously denied. You seem to make it sound
like some people were prevented. To my knowledge all
AfriNIC meetings have. been streamed and also recordings
made available.<br>
<br>
Lets not deflect from real issues raised and the practical
suggestions from members.<br>
<br>
The assumption that members should just accept because
enough people repeated the same answers many times does
not make the issue disappear.<br>
<br>
There?s something not right. Please listen to the voices
of others and not yours only.<br>
<br>
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Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:25 PM<br>
To: Lamiaa Chnayti; Arnaud AMELINA<br>
Cc: Kakel Mbumb; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear All,<br>
<br>
I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus
Foundation and have since resumed doing important things
on the PDP. But I can see the devil is still in the
details, regarding this matter.<br>
<br>
I think we need to live with the fact that Larus
Foundation has shown its transparency as best as they can,
but this does not satisfy some members of the community. I
can also see that these community members are not happy
because Larus Foundation has brought "previously denied
persons" to AfriNIC meeting, and in the process breaking
their monopoly and strangulating hold.<br>
<br>
I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine
sponsor is unhealthy and an attempt to use the
establishment to pursue a perceive enemy. Let us allow
this dog to lie quietly.<br>
<br>
Simply,<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
Pri?re ? VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les messages
pr?c?dents parce que tout a ?t? adress? et pourtant vous
continuez ? r?p?ter ce qui a d?j? ?t? mentionn?.<br>
<br>
Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et
r?p?titive qu'elle ne suit plus aucune logique.<br>
<br>
Il ne s'agit justement pas de d?fendre ou d'attaquer mais
de comprendre. Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas plus de temps
? r?pondre ? des questions auquelles moi et plein de gens
ont d?j? r?pondu.<br>
<br>
J'esp?re que cette discussion non productive prendra fin
et qu'on puisse enfin se focaliser sur des sujets plus
importants pour la communaut?.<br>
<br>
Cordialement,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 9:44 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ame<wbr>lnaud@gmail.com</a>>>
a ?crit :<br>
<br>
<br>
Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a><wbr>>>
a ?crit :<br>
Je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.<br>
<br>
Je trouve qu'il est tr?s normal pour une organisation
d'?tre partielle tant que cel? se fait en objectivit?
totale.<br>
Et en quoi a-t-elle ?t? partiale ? Lorsqu'elle pr?pare des
documents au jugement biais? pour remettre entre les mains
des jeunes qui arrivent pour la premi?re fois aux r?unions
d'Afrinic et pour certains c'est la premi?re fois qu'ils
quittent leur pays pour l'ext?rieur, je comprendrai leur
d?voiement ? d?fendre l'ind?fendable.<br>
<br>
Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-?tre pas l'exception mais se
comporte au moins d'une mani?re objective et dont les
travaux sont b?n?fiques pour la communaut? Africaine.<br>
Ces Travaux sont b?n?fiques tu dis ? certaines communaut?s
africaines, Hummm J'en doute fort qu'elles soient
b?n?fiques, mais plut?t nuisible oui.<br>
<br>
Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la
comparer ? ses semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des
jugements sans pr?-requis.<br>
<br>
Que veux-tu dire sans pr?-requis, je pense plut?t que ceux
qui d?fendent cette fondation, sont ceux-l? m?me justement
qui manquent ? mon humble avis de pr?-requis pour
comprendre les enjeux qui sont d?fendus dans ces d?bats et
discussions. Pri?re lire les anciens message de cette
liste et regarder les anciennes vid?os des r?unions
d'Afrinic. Avant de venir affirmer des choses ici.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cordialement,<br>
<br>
Lamiaa.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">k<wbr>akelmbumb@gmail.com</a>>>
a ?crit :<br>
Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux
questionnements. Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une
organisation de sponsoriser des personnes pour des
r?unions - l'OIF d?clare ouvertement que ?les OIF
organisent des activit?s politiques et des actions de
coop?ration multilat?rale qui sont au profit des
populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la
diversit? culturelle et linguistique et servent ?
promouvoir la langue fran?aise, la paix et le
d?veloppement durable ?sur leur site officiel.<br>
<br>
?tant moi-m?me de langue maternelle fran?aise, je pense
qu'il est plut?t hypocrite que certains accusent Larus
d'?tre partielle tout en n'?voquant rien des OIF et
d'autres organisations similaires qui sont ?galement
form?es, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations
francophones uniquement.<br>
<br>
Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des
ann?es pour amener les gens ? parler en sa faveur. Je ne
porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien connu. Je
pense que c'est normal car les OIF repr?sentent l'int?r?t
de la population francophone. Larus est peut-?tre ?
certains yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est
objectif.<br>
<br>
Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de
dire que Larus est partielle - il est in?vitable pour
l'organisation de repr?senter l'int?r?t de certains
groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble,
rester juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ?a.<br>
<br>
Internet est une soci?t? ouverte - et j'exhorte tous ?
?tre non seulement ouverts, mais aussi ? ?tre justes
lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en particulier.<br>
<br>
Cordialement.<br>
<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000<br>
From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ma<wbr>domey@hotmail.com</a>>><br>
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Hi Owen,<br>
<br>
You wrote<br>
<br>
"I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us
to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions
about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus
is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
<br>
<br>
Confused with all which has been said on this thread?<br>
<br>
Can you please respond to the question in the message [1]
It will help us move on.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Marcus<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a><br>
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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ma<wbr>domey@hotmail.com</a>>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
<br>
> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and
discussed here is about a certain company influencing
people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions
are from individuals and views and opinions are only
theirs.<br>
<br>
I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us
to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions
about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus
is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
<br>
That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain
the abuse to me.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:08:10 -0800<br>
From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@<wbr>delong.com</a>>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence
people?s opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?<br>
<br>
As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some
portions of it have merit, but the devil is in the
details. I have no interest in engaging in a public
discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as
I have no real dog in that fight. I do not believe that
Jordi?s proposal would increase transparency or
significantly improve the quality of our fellowship
program.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ma<wbr>domey@hotmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Owen,<br>
><br>
> You wrote<br>
><br>
> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is
for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s
opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to
consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
discussion."<br>
><br>
><br>
> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?<br>
><br>
> Can you please respond to the question in the message
[1] It will help us move on.<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Marcus<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a>
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> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@<wbr>delong.com</a>>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ma<wbr>domey@hotmail.com</a>>><br>
> Cc: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@<wbr>neo.co.tz</a>>>;
AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@<wbr>afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
><br>
> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed
and discussed here is about a certain company influencing
people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions
are from individuals and views and opinions are only
theirs.<br>
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> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for
us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions
about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus
is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
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> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please
explain the abuse to me.<br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
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