[rpd] New Policy Proposal Received | Policy Compliance Dashboard ( AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01)

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

(changed the subject so it matches the thread, please, all the users of digest, do that!)

 

Hi Maloto,

 

Any policy goes into effect once it reaches consensus, pass the last call and it is implemented by the staff. In some cases, the staff can start with part of the implementation, and progressively do the rest (for example some parts of the dashboard in the case of this proposal).

 

I believe you mean on the other way around. For example, some ISPs that today use IPv4 inside their network (example in the access network), can start using 464XLAT, so they don’t need all the IPv4 addresses of the access network, and then use those IPv4 addresses on the NAT64, or for other users that need them (example, enterprises, DCs, etc.).

 

At least I think this is the logic way to move to IPv6! And is the way I’m doing in my customers …

 

Note also that this is not migration, it is transition and coexistence. You need to keep dual-stack in the LANs and some part of the ISP network (core, upstreams). There is a general misconception about that. Migration is not the same as transition. Migration is disabling IPv4 in all the network and using only IPv6. Then you don’t have connectivity with all those that, at Internet, only have IPv4 (for the time being). It is like when you migrate from Windows 7 to Windows 10: you don’t keep both of them working at the same time.

 

Those addresses do you don’t need anymore, may be also be returned to AFRINIC or used for transfers, etc.

 

This policy is *NOT* changing anything about that, neither asking that if you have excess of addresses, you return them. It is key to understand this.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 21/2/20 20:24, "Maloto Nyirenda" <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw> escribió:

 

I have gone through the  draft  document,   when will this go into effect?basically many companies running ipv4 routable addresses inside their network could release addresses by running IPv6 at the border and IPv4 internally. Basically turns their assigned range into a private network block. Not suitable for all, but should help migration timelines.

 

You append your internal v4 addresses to your v6 address block, i just feel that there is  need  to encourage most Internet players on the migration of IPV6 than  tightening on penalties  for such players   when the  migration is still  at its infancy stage in the African region

regards

Maloto

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   1. Re: Fwd: New Policy Proposal Received | Policy Compliance
      Dashboard ( AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01) (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
   2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Noah)


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?Hi Moses, all,

 

Small clarification, the title in the subject is correct (Policy Compliance Dashboard), but not? in the email body.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 20/2/20 22:41, "Moses Serugo" <moses.serugo at gmail.com> escribi?:

 

Hello PDWG Members, 

 

We have received a new policy Proposal -  "Adjusting IPv6 PA Policy ( AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01 )? from authors Jordi Palet Martinez, Frank Habicht, Mark Elkins and Haitham El Nakhal

 

The proposal contents are published at 

 

https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1

 

Please take some time to go through the proposal contents and provide your feedback. 

 

Thank you.

 

PDWG Co-chairs

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Owen,

We will have to agree to disagree.

Nothing personal here.  This community is discussing a special threat to
its PDP  and the management of scarce IPv4 resources meant to be used to
develop Internet networks in our region.

It's not surprising if you don't see things as some of us from the region
do, which is normal considering your origin and the conflict of Interest
you find yourself in.

What we expect from a senior community member and an ARIN AC member is more
advocacy of best practices and technical leadership. Naturally, in a
conflict situation the option of recusing oneself may be more prudent than
this back and forth.

We wish to empower the organisation to do the right things and encourage
members to collaborate, submit to review, show compliance to policies and
other regulations and protect the PDP.

The rest of elaborate arguments and discussions do not help this community
to advance.

This will be my last comment on this abuse of pdp for now.

Noah

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:43 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:


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>

> On Feb 19, 2020, at 06:20 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

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>

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> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:07 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

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>>

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>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 21:47 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:

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>> On 14 Feb 2020, at 21:13, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

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>> I can?t speak for the foundation, but my best guess is they chose not to

>> engage to avoid dignifying the accusations.

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>> --

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>> On 17 Feb 2020, at 21:03, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

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>> It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine anything.

>> We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing opportunities for more Africans

>> to participate in the AfriNIC process.

>>

>>

>> Owen,

>>

>> I might have missed a mail somewhere.  Do you also work for Larus

>> foundation?

>>

>> The Larus terms and conditions for its fellowship are clearly suspect and

>> indefensible especially after recent experiences.  If you work for them and

>> are towing the company line, I?d understand that you are singing to the

>> tune of your paymaster.  If not, it seems that you may have become part of

>> the problem in worse ways than one can imagine.

>>

>>

>> I do a small amount of consulting for Larus Foundation.

>>

>

> Ok now that this is clear, I now understand why you have been defending

> this conjob.

>

>

> Noah,

>

> Is it impossible for you to carry on a discussion without ad hominem

> attacks and libelous speech?

>

> The consulting I do there is primarily aimed at keeping the fellowship

>> program open, transparent, and community oriented. Amusingly, my efforts

>> are aimed at ensuring that it does not become what it is accused of being.

>>

>

> It is already what it is being accused of being but you are already

> conflicted and biased to see it.  We have the so called "African Youths"

> being paid USD500 in return for services rendered. The service that

> according to previously published documents on list and other sources

> clearly goes to undermine the policy development process and essentially

> AfriNIC.....

>

>

> Please show where and in which documents it ?undermines the policy

> development process and essentially AfriNIC?.

>

> You continue to make these baseless allegations without offering any proof

> or evidence. As if you think that continuing to repeat the same lies over

> and over somehow makes them more true.

>

> While I do understand the psychological effect that lies repeated often

> enough tend to embed in peoples brains as fact, that becomes far less

> effective when repeated calls for evidence to back up the allegations go

> unanswered as is the case here.

>

> If you are not seeing what is happening then its unfortunate?..

>

>

> Time will tell. In the meantime, can we focus on evidence, fact, and a

> collegial debate of the actual issues without resorting to ad hominem and

> character assassination?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Owen

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