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In some cases, the staff can start with part of the implementation, and progressively do the rest (for example some parts of the dashboard in the case of this proposal).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I believe you mean on the other way around. For example, some ISPs that today use IPv4 inside their network (example in the access network), can start using 464XLAT, so they don’t need all the IPv4 addresses of the access network, and then use those IPv4 addresses on the NAT64, or for other users that need them (example, enterprises, DCs, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>At least I think this is the logic way to move to IPv6! And is the way I’m doing in my customers …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Note also that this is not migration, it is transition and coexistence. You need to keep dual-stack in the LANs and some part of the ISP network (core, upstreams). There is a general misconception about that. Migration is not the same as transition. Migration is disabling IPv4 in all the network and using only IPv6. Then you don’t have connectivity with all those that, at Internet, only have IPv4 (for the time being). It is like when you migrate from Windows 7 to Windows 10: you don’t keep both of them working at the same time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Those addresses do you don’t need anymore, may be also be returned to AFRINIC or used for transfers, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This policy is *<b>NOT</b>* changing anything about that, neither asking that if you have excess of addresses, you return them. It is key to understand this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 21/2/20 20:24, "Maloto Nyirenda" <<a href="mailto:Maloto.Nyirenda@MTL.mw">Maloto.Nyirenda@MTL.mw</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have gone through the draft document, when will this go into effect?basically many companies running ipv4 routable addresses inside their network could release addresses by running IPv6 at the border and IPv4 internally. Basically turns their assigned range into a private network block. Not suitable for all, but should help migration timelines.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You append your internal v4 addresses to your v6 address block, i just feel that there is need to encourage most Internet players on the migration of IPV6 than tightening on penalties for such players when the migration is still at its infancy stage in the African region<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Maloto<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:center'><hr size=0 width="97%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> rpd-request@afrinic.net <rpd-request@afrinic.net><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> rpd@afrinic.net <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 84</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> rpd@afrinic.net<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> rpd-request@afrinic.net<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> rpd-owner@afrinic.net<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Fwd: New Policy Proposal Received | Policy Compliance<br> Dashboard ( AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01) (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br> 2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Noah)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:05:14 +1100<br>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es><br>To: <rpd@afrinic.net><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Fwd: New Policy Proposal Received | Policy<br> Compliance Dashboard ( AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01)<br>Message-ID: <C49AFB21-F1BA-4CB4-BF71-25DA31D58D12@consulintel.es><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>?Hi Moses, all,<br><br> <br><br>Small clarification, the title in the subject is correct (Policy Compliance Dashboard), but not? in the email body.<br><br> <br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jordi<br><br>@jordipalet<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>El 20/2/20 22:41, "Moses Serugo" <moses.serugo@gmail.com> escribi?:<br><br> <br><br>Hello PDWG Members, <br><br> <br><br>We have received a new policy Proposal - "Adjusting IPv6 PA Policy ( AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01 )? from authors Jordi Palet Martinez, Frank Habicht, Mark Elkins and Haitham El Nakhal<br><br> <br><br>The proposal contents are published at <br><br> <br><br><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1</a><br><br> <br><br>Please take some time to go through the proposal contents and provide your feedback. <br><br> <br><br>Thank you.<br><br> <br><br>PDWG Co-chairs<br><br>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <br><br><br><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200220/f5c07b85/attachment-0001.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200220/f5c07b85/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:04:58 +0300<br>From: Noah <noah@neo.co.tz><br>To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com><br>Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd@afrinic.net><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAEqgTWa=FhXRxKJv4g+td0QW4yQxV_VmYvZJvCf+tX=-HAch0A@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Owen,<br><br>We will have to agree to disagree.<br><br>Nothing personal here. This community is discussing a special threat to<br>its PDP and the management of scarce IPv4 resources meant to be used to<br>develop Internet networks in our region.<br><br>It's not surprising if you don't see things as some of us from the region<br>do, which is normal considering your origin and the conflict of Interest<br>you find yourself in.<br><br>What we expect from a senior community member and an ARIN AC member is more<br>advocacy of best practices and technical leadership. Naturally, in a<br>conflict situation the option of recusing oneself may be more prudent than<br>this back and forth.<br><br>We wish to empower the organisation to do the right things and encourage<br>members to collaborate, submit to review, show compliance to policies and<br>other regulations and protect the PDP.<br><br>The rest of elaborate arguments and discussions do not help this community<br>to advance.<br><br>This will be my last comment on this abuse of pdp for now.<br><br>Noah<br><br>On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:43 AM Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:<br><br>><br>><br>> On Feb 19, 2020, at 06:20 , Noah <noah@neo.co.tz> wrote:<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:07 AM Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:<br>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 21:47 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 14 Feb 2020, at 21:13, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:<br>>><br>>> I can?t speak for the foundation, but my best guess is they chose not to<br>>> engage to avoid dignifying the accusations.<br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>><br>>> On 17 Feb 2020, at 21:03, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:<br>>><br>>> It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine anything.<br>>> We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing opportunities for more Africans<br>>> to participate in the AfriNIC process.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Owen,<br>>><br>>> I might have missed a mail somewhere. Do you also work for Larus<br>>> foundation?<br>>><br>>> The Larus terms and conditions for its fellowship are clearly suspect and<br>>> indefensible especially after recent experiences. If you work for them and<br>>> are towing the company line, I?d understand that you are singing to the<br>>> tune of your paymaster. If not, it seems that you may have become part of<br>>> the problem in worse ways than one can imagine.<br>>><br>>><br>>> I do a small amount of consulting for Larus Foundation.<br>>><br>><br>> Ok now that this is clear, I now understand why you have been defending<br>> this conjob.<br>><br>><br>> Noah,<br>><br>> Is it impossible for you to carry on a discussion without ad hominem<br>> attacks and libelous speech?<br>><br>> The consulting I do there is primarily aimed at keeping the fellowship<br>>> program open, transparent, and community oriented. Amusingly, my efforts<br>>> are aimed at ensuring that it does not become what it is accused of being.<br>>><br>><br>> It is already what it is being accused of being but you are already<br>> conflicted and biased to see it. We have the so called "African Youths"<br>> being paid USD500 in return for services rendered. The service that<br>> according to previously published documents on list and other sources<br>> clearly goes to undermine the policy development process and essentially<br>> AfriNIC.....<br>><br>><br>> Please show where and in which documents it ?undermines the policy<br>> development process and essentially AfriNIC?.<br>><br>> You continue to make these baseless allegations without offering any proof<br>> or evidence. As if you think that continuing to repeat the same lies over<br>> and over somehow makes them more true.<br>><br>> While I do understand the psychological effect that lies repeated often<br>> enough tend to embed in peoples brains as fact, that becomes far less<br>> effective when repeated calls for evidence to back up the allegations go<br>> unanswered as is the case here.<br>><br>> If you are not seeing what is happening then its unfortunate?..<br>><br>><br>> Time will tell. In the meantime, can we focus on evidence, fact, and a<br>> collegial debate of the actual issues without resorting to ad hominem and<br>> character assassination?<br>><br>> Thanks,<br>><br>> Owen<br>><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200220/ee4b8ee6/attachment.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200220/ee4b8ee6/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br>RPD@afrinic.net<br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 84<br>************************************<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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