[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Tom Ochang]

I wish to state that anyone with evidence incriminating  against Larus
foundation or any other organisations sponsoring Persons to
Afrinic/Aid/Afnog should forward same to the appropriate agency for
investigation and probable prosecution because this discussion has turned
to petty gossip against Larus foundation. I think a thread has begun about
police investigation report in the community, I wish to say we wait for the
final outcome of the report. My submission

Tom
 Nigeria

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020, 15:08 Noah, <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:


> Owen,

>

> We will have to agree to disagree.

>

> Nothing personal here.  This community is discussing a special threat to

> its PDP  and the management of scarce IPv4 resources meant to be used to

> develop Internet networks in our region.

>

> It's not surprising if you don't see things as some of us from the region

> do, which is normal considering your origin and the conflict of Interest

> you find yourself in.

>

> What we expect from a senior community member and an ARIN AC member is

> more advocacy of best practices and technical leadership. Naturally, in a

> conflict situation the option of recusing oneself may be more prudent than

> this back and forth.

>

> We wish to empower the organisation to do the right things and encourage

> members to collaborate, submit to review, show compliance to policies and

> other regulations and protect the PDP.

>

> The rest of elaborate arguments and discussions do not help this community

> to advance.

>

> This will be my last comment on this abuse of pdp for now.

>

> Noah

>

> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:43 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> On Feb 19, 2020, at 06:20 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:07 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 21:47 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> On 14 Feb 2020, at 21:13, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> I can’t speak for the foundation, but my best guess is they chose not to

>>> engage to avoid dignifying the accusations.

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> On 17 Feb 2020, at 21:03, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine anything.

>>> We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing opportunities for more Africans

>>> to participate in the AfriNIC process.

>>>

>>>

>>> Owen,

>>>

>>> I might have missed a mail somewhere.  Do you also work for Larus

>>> foundation?

>>>

>>> The Larus terms and conditions for its fellowship are clearly suspect

>>> and indefensible especially after recent experiences.  If you work for them

>>> and are towing the company line, I’d understand that you are singing to the

>>> tune of your paymaster.  If not, it seems that you may have become part of

>>> the problem in worse ways than one can imagine.

>>>

>>>

>>> I do a small amount of consulting for Larus Foundation.

>>>

>>

>> Ok now that this is clear, I now understand why you have been defending

>> this conjob.

>>

>>

>> Noah,

>>

>> Is it impossible for you to carry on a discussion without ad hominem

>> attacks and libelous speech?

>>

>> The consulting I do there is primarily aimed at keeping the fellowship

>>> program open, transparent, and community oriented. Amusingly, my efforts

>>> are aimed at ensuring that it does not become what it is accused of being.

>>>

>>

>> It is already what it is being accused of being but you are already

>> conflicted and biased to see it.  We have the so called "African Youths"

>> being paid USD500 in return for services rendered. The service that

>> according to previously published documents on list and other sources

>> clearly goes to undermine the policy development process and essentially

>> AfriNIC.....

>>

>>

>> Please show where and in which documents it “undermines the policy

>> development process and essentially AfriNIC”.

>>

>> You continue to make these baseless allegations without offering any

>> proof or evidence. As if you think that continuing to repeat the same lies

>> over and over somehow makes them more true.

>>

>> While I do understand the psychological effect that lies repeated often

>> enough tend to embed in peoples brains as fact, that becomes far less

>> effective when repeated calls for evidence to back up the allegations go

>> unanswered as is the case here.

>>

>> If you are not seeing what is happening then its unfortunate…..

>>

>>

>> Time will tell. In the meantime, can we focus on evidence, fact, and a

>> collegial debate of the actual issues without resorting to ad hominem and

>> character assassination?

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Owen

>>

>>

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