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[rpd] [SPAM?] Re: Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP
Daniel Yakmut
yakmutd at googlemail.com
Wed Feb 19 13:16:25 UTC 2020
Hi Badru,
We can only heal, when some people don't claim entitlement over AfriNIC.
I don't think as African, I will be seen to be less African or less
Patriotic, such notions breed rebellion.
I will differ slightly with some of your opinions, we need independent
sponsors. In that regard as a community we can create a Fellowship
"regulations" for any organization to follow and provide support outside
the AfriNIC structure.
cheers
Daniel
On 19/02/202Hi Badru0 5:25 am, Badru Ntege wrote:
> So members
>
> In the court of public opinion and the absence of a moderator on this
> particular issue, but based on many emails over the last few days.
> Looks like the analogy of “walks like a duck quacks like a duck must
> be a 🦆“ seems to have some substance here.
>
> So i would suggest we ask any foundation planning to assist the
> community to go through Afrinic as suggested by Jordi
>
> In the absence of that we can explore the motives of that organization
> especially where through the discussions it has been insinuated that
> the same organization or a related party might be using allocated
> resources in a manner that contradicts the rules of allocation and
> thus could be using funds to subvert policy through mass recruitment
> and paying for open mic and policy discussion time
>
> I think we have to be practical arround this issue and resolve it in a
> mature way.
>
> Lets fix what is wrong and not blindly debate the issue. Its very
> clear something is not right.
>
> Communities heal and grow or divide and die. Lets heal.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 19 Feb 2020, at 07:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Blaise,
>>
>> Don’t think that only in Africa many people don’t know about AFRINIC,
>> the meetings, the PDP, etc.
>>
>> This is a common in all the RIRs. Many ISPs only see the relevant RIR
>> as the “provider” of the IP addresses, not as an organization that is
>> the community itself, and it is up to the community to setup the
>> rules (PDP -> policies).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jordi
>>
>> @jordipalet
>>
>> El 19/2/20 2:53, "Blaise Fyama" <bfyama at gmail.com
>> <mailto:bfyama at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>
>> This discussion is a true replica of a bald bal ... after the fourth
>> day we see who is really who!
>> Beyond LARUS I would like us to also be told the conditions for the
>> selection of African-African organizations. Are all African
>> geopolitics taken into account, does popularization conform to
>> standards? Or concerns only a privileged few connected to the
>> "system"? Personally I am amazed that the overwhelming part of the
>> African community does not know everything about AFRINIC I can give
>> testimony of my own region where I am. An impartial and
>> multi-criteria analysis on ALL fellowships systems for AFRINIC
>> meetings would be more beneficial for the entire community. An Asian
>> organization which offers scholarships to young Africans by its
>> methods against African-African organizations which also offer
>> scholarships according to their methods.
>>
>> Anyway between Africans we know each other well!
>>
>> Blaise.
>>
>> Blaise FYAMA
>>
>> Msc, PhD.
>>
>> Professeur Associé
>>
>> Secrétaire Général Académique Honoraire/UL
>>
>> Doyen de la Faculté des Sciences Informatiques/UPL
>>
>> Doyen a.i de la Faculté Polytechnique/UPL
>>
>> Chef de Département Génie Electrique/ESI-UNILU
>>
>> Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU
>>
>> Consultant Informatique BIT/PAEJK
>>
>> Tel: +243995579515
>>
>> Numéro O.N.I.CIV: 00460
>>
>> MSc, PhD.
>>
>> Associate Professor
>>
>> Honorary Academic Secretary General / UL
>>
>> Dean of the Faculty of Computer Science / UPL
>>
>> Dean a.i of the Polytechnic Faculty / UPL
>>
>> Head of Department of Electrical Engineering / ESI-UNILU
>>
>> IT Service Manager / Polytech-UNILU
>>
>> IT Consultant BIT / PAEJK
>>
>> Phone: +243995579515
>>
>> O.N.I.CIV number: 00460
>>
>> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:11, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com
>> <mailto:kakelmbumb at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>
>> The general understanding I have is that more african youths and
>> part of its population need to contribute on the use of internet
>> and the way it changes people's lives. Different organizations
>> are therefore welcomed to provide support or training whenever
>> possible to bring awareness on the issue about internet use and
>> regulations. And everyone is entitled to have its own internal
>> management unless it goes against the general approbation as per
>> Law.
>>
>> From my experience, I have a lot of Youths in my country who are
>> in the IT sector but don't even know what is AFRINIC and how it
>> contributes to the improvement of internet in Africa.
>>
>> Sponsors are therefore contributing to make them aware of that
>> and have the chance to take part to Policy meetings. People are
>> not handcuffed to be obliged to have a certain stsnd and they are
>> free to choose whether to abide by the rules or not.
>>
>> My thought. !!
>>
>> Le lun. 17 févr. 2020 à 22:41, <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> a écrit :
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>> 1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Noah)
>> 2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)
>> 3. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31 (Owen DeLong)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:49:48 +0300
>> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com
>> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege
>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the
>> amount of time
>> > they public spend at the mic ??
>> >
>> >
>> > No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the
>> sessions.
>> > However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting
>> through sessions,
>> > but actual active engagement in them.
>> >
>> > Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly
>> question but looks
>> > like ?open mic minutes for sell?
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical
>> possible view.
>> > Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.
>> >
>> > We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.
>> >
>> > As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of
>> helping the
>> > community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the
>> line motives.
>> >
>> >
>> > While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process,
>> I can assure
>> > you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation
>> in this process
>> > is to
>> > encourage additional active participation. It is my belief
>> that the best
>> > policies will evolve from the most engaged community.
>> >
>> > Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not insinuating
>> any motives
>> > but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck,
>> and quacks like
>> > a duck, then it probably is a duck.
>> >
>> >
>> > Please just say what you mean.
>> >
>> > Owen
>> >
>>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.
>>
>> You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create
>> an engaged
>> community for a better PDP?
>>
>> As you know, all the current active policies were discussed
>> and ratified by
>> this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation
>> was never there
>> when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past
>> volunteers
>> co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list
>> and over the
>> years through rough consensus, they got all the active
>> policies today
>> ratified.
>>
>> I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:03:23 -0800
>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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>> > On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:49 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com
>> <mailto:owen at delong.com> <mailto:owen at delong.com
>> <mailto:owen at delong.com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege
>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the
>> amount of time they public spend at the mic ??
>> >
>> > No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the
>> sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive
>> sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.
>> >
>> >> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly
>> question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?
>> >
>> > I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical
>> possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be
>> relevant.
>> >
>> > We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.
>> >
>> >> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of
>> helping the community we must always be cognizant of the
>> bellow the line motives.
>> >
>> > While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process,
>> I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My
>> motivation in this process is to
>> > encourage additional active participation. It is my belief
>> that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged
>> community.
>> >
>> >> Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not
>> insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a
>> duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it
>> probably is a duck.
>> >
>> > Please just say what you mean.
>> >
>> > Owen
>> >
>> > Owen,
>> >
>> > Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.
>> >
>> > You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to
>> create an engaged community for a better PDP?
>> >
>> > As you know, all the current active policies were discussed
>> and ratified by this community over the past 20 years and
>> Larus Foundation was never there when various proposals were
>> drafted and deliberated, past volunteers co-chaired the PPM
>> and managed working groups on this list and over the years
>> through rough consensus, they got all the active policies
>> today ratified.
>> >
>> > I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.
>>
>> I am confused as to how bringing new blood into the process
>> is ?undermining?.
>>
>> New blood and new ideas are life for any organization or
>> process which intends to continue for more than a very short
>> period of time.
>>
>> The board we have today is not the board we had when AfriNIC
>> began. Is having a new board undermining the process?
>> The CEO we have today is not the CEO we had when AfriNIC
>> began. Is having a new CEO undermining the process?
>> Many of the most vocal participants in the process today were
>> not participants in the process when AfriNIC began. Are you
>> saying that any voice which was not here at the beginning is
>> ?undermining the process??
>>
>> It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine
>> anything. We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing
>> opportunities for more Africans to participate in the AfriNIC
>> process.
>>
>> Owen
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:40:25 -0800
>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> To: Maloto Nyirenda <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw>
>> Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"
>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>,
>> "rpd-request at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>"
>> <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31
>> Message-ID: <8A75D201-832F-4CC8-A178-DF6FC165ADCF at delong.com
>> <mailto:8A75D201-832F-4CC8-A178-DF6FC165ADCF at delong.com>>
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>>
>> That?s good feedback. I?ll look into making sure we try to
>> document our selection criteria.
>>
>> I will say that we do try to select individuals that we
>> believe are likely to be valuable contributors to the
>> community, primarily ICT students or those early in their ICT
>> careers. We do not call for participants that are not likely
>> to engage.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 2020, at 23:14 , Maloto Nyirenda
>> <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think it is highly significant that such fellows
>> selected are able to contribute in such meetings through
>> active contributions, however the terms of their selections
>> are well outlined, otherwise there is no logic calling
>> participants that are not likely to engage in such fellowships
>> >
>> > regards
>> > Maloto
>> > From: rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>>>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:21 AM
>> > To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>
>> > Subject: RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31
>> >
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>> > 1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Daniel Yakmut)
>> > 2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)
>> >
>> >
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:11:21 +0100
>> > From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com
>> <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>
>> <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>>>
>> > To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>>, Arnaud AMELINA
>> > <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>>,
>> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
>> > <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>> > Message-ID: <06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com>>>
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>> >
>> > I suspect when we ask questions, and the questions are
>> coming from a non
>> > bias perception, then I believe you will have received several
>> > responses. However, I will attempt to say that Larus
>> Foundation's major
>> > objective can be surmised as "Providing opportunity,
>> increasing access
>> > and exposing young Africans to the AfriNIC processes"
>> >
>> > - How they choose their Fellows is at there discretion.
>> >
>> > - How they evaluate the Fellows is also their business,
>> however they may
>> > wish, to one day give us the result of their impact
>> analysis. At that
>> > point we can appreciate Larus Foundation for giving young
>> Africans an
>> > opportunity to contribute to the growth of the Internet
>> Community in Africa.
>> >
>> > - I strongly support that Larus Foundation provides their
>> Fellows with
>> > some stipend either as a blanket support or tied to some
>> form of
>> > performance indicators, this should not be a subject of
>> interest to
>> > anyone, since the person is not providing the funds.
>> >
>> > - Lastly, I have seen Larus Foundation becoming more open
>> with their
>> > processes in the last two meetings, which gives any African
>> the
>> > opportunity to apply for the fellow and possibly be
>> selected to attend.
>> >
>> > Just my attempt to respond and remove the bizarre silence.
>> >
>> > Simply,
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> > On 14/02/2020 9:50 pm, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
>> > > Dear Community,
>> > >
>> > > It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no
>> responses so
>> > > far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them
>> soon to
>> > > enlighten this community.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Marcus
>> > >
>> > > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte
>> <https://aka.ms/blhgte>>
>> > >
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>> > > *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>>
>> > > *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM
>> > > *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>
>> > > *Subject:* [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>> > > Dear community,
>> > >
>> > > You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus?
>> Foundation
>> > > fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided
>> to fellows as
>> > > meeting background material(*) and which? intended to
>> condition their
>> > > views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and
>> after..
>> > >
>> > > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html
>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>
>> > >
>> > > I came across the actual agreement? which defines the
>> terms and
>> > > conditions under which? the fellowship program work.
>> > >
>> > > The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the
>> followings:
>> > >
>> > > Page 1
>> > > Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship
>> program and
>> > > payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow
>> performance*
>> > >
>> > > Page 2
>> > > Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the
>> meeting, not
>> > > just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing
>> opinions,
>> > > responding to comments, participate in Hallway
>> conversations.....
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Page 5
>> > > Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at
>> Larus? foundation
>> > > satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final
>> decision for
>> > > the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s
>> sole discretion...
>> > >
>> > > Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the
>> total value of
>> > > the stipend as the followings:
>> > > First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare,
>> hotel, other
>> > > transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.
>> > >
>> > > The second part: the remainder will be paid after the
>> meeting... the
>> > > value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is
>> contingent to
>> > > fellow attendance and participation and conformance to
>> the fellowship
>> > > terms and conditions? herein....
>> > >
>> > > Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and
>> binding to
>> > > the parties
>> > >
>> > > At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails
>> to actively
>> > > participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or
>> violate this
>> > > terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.?
>> In addition,
>> > > Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up
>> front? by
>> > > Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such
>> compensation,
>> > > including but not limited to court? costs, collection
>> costs and attorney.
>> > > =====
>> > >
>> > > The following questions come to mind:
>> > >
>> > > 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which
>> is purely
>> > > based? on Larus views on each proposals, positions to
>> defend, what are
>> > > the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are
>> the objectives
>> > > aligned with the general community interest?
>> > >
>> > > 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions
>> that opinions
>> > > expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus
>> opinions? and
>> > > do not represent fellow individual opinions?
>> > >
>> > > 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole
>> > > discretion? What are the metrics and values used to
>> determine the
>> > > performance level?
>> > >
>> > > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the
>> fellow performance?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > __
>> > >
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>> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:21:22 -0800
>> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>
>> <mailto:owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>>
>> > To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>>
>> > Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
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>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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>> > > On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege
>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to
>> the amount of time they public spend at the mic ??
>> >
>> > No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the
>> sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive
>> sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.
>> >
>> > > Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly
>> question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?
>> >
>> > I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical
>> possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be
>> relevant.
>> >
>> > We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.
>> >
>> > > As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of
>> helping the community we must always be cognizant of the
>> bellow the line motives.
>> >
>> > While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process,
>> I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My
>> motivation in this process is to
>> > encourage additional active participation. It is my belief
>> that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged
>> community.
>> >
>> > > Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not
>> insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a
>> duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it
>> probably is a duck.
>> >
>> > Please just say what you mean.
>> >
>> > Owen
>> >
>> > >
>> > > ......just saying
>> > >
>> > > BN
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Badru Ntege
>> > > Group CEO
>> > > NFTCONSULT
>> > > +256 772712088
>> > > Twt: ntegeb
>> > >
>> > > From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:00 AM
>> > > To: Arnaud AMELINA; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
>> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>> > >
>> > > Dear Community,
>> > >
>> > > It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no
>> responses so far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide
>> them soon to enlighten this community.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Marcus
>> > >
>> > > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte
>> <https://aka.ms/blhgte>>
>> > > From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM
>> > > To: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>
>> > > Subject: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>> > >
>> > > Dear community,
>> > >
>> > > You may remember the recent discussions about Larus
>> Foundation fellowship in respect to educational documents
>> provided to fellows as meeting background material(*) and
>> which intended to condition their views on proposals and
>> their contributions at the PPM and after..
>> > >
>> > > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html
>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>
>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html
>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>>
>> > >
>> > > I came across the actual agreement which defines the
>> terms and conditions under which the fellowship program work.
>> > >
>> > > The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the
>> followings:
>> > >
>> > > Page 1
>> > > Larus Foundation obligations to offer the fellowship
>> program and payments are subject to terms and conditions and
>> *fellow performance*
>> > >
>> > > Page 2
>> > > Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the
>> meeting, not just sit in the meeting room. This can include
>> voicing opinions, responding to comments, participate in
>> Hallway conversations.....
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Page 5
>> > > Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at
>> Larus foundation satisfaction... Larus will offer
>> stipends... the final decision for the disbursement of the
>> stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...
>> > >
>> > > Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the
>> total value of the stipend as the followings:
>> > > First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare,
>> hotel, other transportation costs for the meeting paid up
>> front by Larus.
>> > >
>> > > The second part: the remainder will be paid after the
>> meeting... the value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend
>> payment is contingent to fellow attendance and participation
>> and conformance to the fellowship terms and conditions
>> herein....
>> > >
>> > > Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and
>> binding to the parties
>> > >
>> > > At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails
>> to actively participate in fellowship program and in the
>> meeting or violate this terms and conditions, the stipend
>> will not be offered. In addition, Larus is entitled to seek
>> indemnify for all costs pay up front by Larus and any cost
>> associated to the collection of such compensation, including
>> but not limited to court costs, collection costs and attorney.
>> > > =====
>> > >
>> > > The following questions come to mind:
>> > >
>> > > 1- From the educational material given to fellows which
>> is purely based on Larus views on each proposals, positions
>> to defend, what are the objectives set for each policy
>> meeting and how are the objectives aligned with the general
>> community interest?
>> > >
>> > > 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions
>> that opinions expressed by fellows during policy meetings
>> are Larus opinions and do not represent fellow individual
>> opinions?
>> > >
>> > > 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus
>> sole discretion? What are the metrics and values used to
>> determine the performance level?
>> > >
>> > > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied based on the
>> fellow performance?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
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