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[rpd] [SPAM?] Re: Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

Daniel Yakmut yakmutd at googlemail.com
Wed Feb 19 13:16:25 UTC 2020


Hi Badru,


We can only heal, when some people don't claim entitlement over AfriNIC.
I don't think as African, I will be seen to be less African or less
Patriotic, such notions breed rebellion.

I will differ slightly with some of your opinions, we need independent
sponsors. In that regard as a community we can create a Fellowship
"regulations" for any organization to follow and provide support outside
the AfriNIC structure.


cheers

Daniel



On 19/02/202Hi Badru0 5:25 am, Badru Ntege wrote:

> So members

>

> In the court of public opinion and the absence of a moderator on this

> particular issue, but based on many emails over the last few days.

>  Looks like the analogy of “walks like a duck quacks like a duck must

> be a 🦆“ seems to have some substance here.

>

> So i would suggest we ask any foundation planning to assist the

> community to go through Afrinic as suggested by Jordi

>

> In the absence of that we can explore the motives of that organization

> especially where through the discussions it has been insinuated that

> the same organization or a related party might be using allocated

> resources in a manner that contradicts the rules of allocation and

> thus could be using funds to subvert policy through mass recruitment

> and paying for open mic and policy discussion time

>

> I think we have to be practical arround this issue and resolve it in a

> mature way.

>

> Lets fix what is wrong and not blindly debate the issue.  Its very

> clear something is not right.

>

> Communities heal and grow or divide and die.  Lets heal.

>

> Regards

>

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> On 19 Feb 2020, at 07:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD

>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>

>> 

>>

>> Hi Blaise,

>>

>> Don’t think that only in Africa many people don’t know about AFRINIC,

>> the meetings, the PDP, etc.

>>

>> This is a common in all the RIRs. Many ISPs only see the relevant RIR

>> as the “provider” of the IP addresses, not as an organization that is

>> the community itself, and it is up to the community to setup the

>> rules (PDP -> policies).

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>> El 19/2/20 2:53, "Blaise Fyama" <bfyama at gmail.com

>> <mailto:bfyama at gmail.com>> escribió:

>>

>> This discussion is a true replica of a bald bal ... after the fourth

>> day we see who is really who!

>> Beyond LARUS I would like us to also be told the conditions for the

>> selection of African-African organizations. Are all African

>> geopolitics taken into account, does popularization conform to

>> standards? Or concerns only a privileged few connected to the

>> "system"? Personally I am amazed that the overwhelming part of the

>> African community does not know everything about AFRINIC I can give

>> testimony of my own region where I am. An impartial and

>> multi-criteria analysis on ALL fellowships systems for AFRINIC

>> meetings would be more beneficial for the entire community. An Asian

>> organization which offers scholarships to young Africans by its

>> methods against African-African organizations which also offer

>> scholarships according to their methods.

>>

>> Anyway between Africans we know each other well!

>>

>> Blaise.

>>

>> Blaise FYAMA

>>

>> Msc, PhD.

>>

>> Professeur Associé

>>

>> Secrétaire Général Académique Honoraire/UL

>>

>> Doyen de la Faculté des Sciences Informatiques/UPL

>>

>> Doyen a.i de la Faculté Polytechnique/UPL

>>

>> Chef de Département Génie Electrique/ESI-UNILU

>>

>> Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU

>>

>> Consultant Informatique BIT/PAEJK

>>

>> Tel: +243995579515

>>

>> Numéro O.N.I.CIV: 00460

>>

>> MSc, PhD.

>>

>> Associate Professor

>>

>> Honorary Academic Secretary General / UL

>>

>> Dean of the Faculty of Computer Science / UPL

>>

>> Dean a.i of the Polytechnic Faculty / UPL

>>

>> Head of Department of Electrical Engineering / ESI-UNILU

>>

>> IT Service Manager / Polytech-UNILU

>>

>> IT Consultant BIT / PAEJK

>>

>> Phone: +243995579515

>>

>> O.N.I.CIV number: 00460

>>

>> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:11, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com

>> <mailto:kakelmbumb at gmail.com>> a écrit :

>>

>> The general understanding I have is that more african youths and

>> part of its population need to contribute on the use of internet

>> and the way it changes people's lives. Different organizations

>> are therefore welcomed to provide support or training whenever

>> possible to bring awareness on the issue about internet use and

>> regulations. And everyone is entitled to have its own internal

>> management unless it goes against the general approbation as per

>> Law.

>>

>> From my experience, I have a lot of Youths in my country who are

>> in the IT sector but don't even know what is AFRINIC and how it

>> contributes to the improvement of internet in Africa.

>>

>> Sponsors are therefore contributing to make them aware of that

>> and have the chance to take part to Policy meetings. People are

>> not handcuffed to be obliged to have a certain stsnd and they are

>> free to choose whether to abide by the rules or not.

>>

>> My thought. !!

>>

>> Le lun. 17 févr. 2020 à 22:41, <rpd-request at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> a écrit :

>>

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>> Today's Topics:

>>

>>    1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Noah)

>>    2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)

>>    3. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31 (Owen DeLong)

>>

>>

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:49:48 +0300

>> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>

>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>

>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com

>> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege

>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>

>> > wrote:

>> >

>> > Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the

>> amount of time

>> > they public spend at the mic ??

>> >

>> >

>> > No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the

>> sessions.

>> > However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting

>> through sessions,

>> > but actual active engagement in them.

>> >

>> > Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly

>> question but looks

>> > like ?open mic minutes for sell?

>> >

>> >

>> > I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical

>> possible view.

>> > Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.

>> >

>> > We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.

>> >

>> > As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of

>> helping the

>> > community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the

>> line motives.

>> >

>> >

>> > While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process,

>> I can assure

>> > you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation

>> in this process

>> > is to

>> > encourage additional active participation. It is my belief

>> that the best

>> > policies will evolve from the most engaged community.

>> >

>> > Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not insinuating

>> any motives

>> > but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck,

>> and quacks like

>> > a duck, then it probably is a duck.

>> >

>> >

>> > Please just say what you mean.

>> >

>> > Owen

>> >

>>

>> Owen,

>>

>> Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.

>>

>> You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create

>> an engaged

>> community for a better PDP?

>>

>> As you know, all the current active policies were discussed

>> and ratified by

>> this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation

>> was never there

>> when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past

>> volunteers

>> co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list

>> and over the

>> years through rough consensus, they got all the active

>> policies today

>> ratified.

>>

>> I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.

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>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:03:23 -0800

>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>

>> To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>

>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> Message-ID: <3C05FC07-7B60-4D2E-8A81-2F476C51F42D at delong.com

>> <mailto:3C05FC07-7B60-4D2E-8A81-2F476C51F42D at delong.com>>

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>>

>>

>> > On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:49 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz

>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com

>> <mailto:owen at delong.com> <mailto:owen at delong.com

>> <mailto:owen at delong.com>>> wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> >> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege

>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the

>> amount of time they public spend at the mic ??

>> >

>> > No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the

>> sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive

>> sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.

>> >

>> >> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly

>> question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?

>> >

>> > I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical

>> possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be

>> relevant.

>> >

>> > We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.

>> >

>> >> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of

>> helping the community we must always be cognizant of the

>> bellow the line motives.

>> >

>> > While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process,

>> I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My

>> motivation in this process is to

>> > encourage additional active participation. It is my belief

>> that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged

>> community.

>> >

>> >> Pls note I?m reading from the response.  And not

>> insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a

>> duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it

>> probably is a duck.

>> >

>> > Please just say what you mean.

>> >

>> > Owen

>> >

>> > Owen,

>> >

>> > Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.

>> >

>> > You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to

>> create an engaged community for a better PDP?

>> >

>> > As you know, all the current active policies were discussed

>> and ratified by this community over the past 20 years and

>> Larus Foundation was never there when various proposals were

>> drafted and deliberated, past volunteers co-chaired the PPM

>> and managed working groups on this list and over the years

>> through rough consensus, they got all the active policies

>> today ratified.

>> >

>> > I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.

>>

>> I am confused as to how bringing new blood into the process

>> is ?undermining?.

>>

>> New blood and new ideas are life for any organization or

>> process which intends to continue for more than a very short

>> period of time.

>>

>> The board we have today is not the board we had when AfriNIC

>> began. Is having a new board undermining the process?

>> The CEO we have today is not the CEO we had when AfriNIC

>> began. Is having a new CEO undermining the process?

>> Many of the most vocal participants in the process today were

>> not participants in the process when AfriNIC began. Are you

>> saying that any voice which was not here at the beginning is

>> ?undermining the process??

>>

>> It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine

>> anything. We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing

>> opportunities for more Africans to participate in the AfriNIC

>> process.

>>

>> Owen

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>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:40:25 -0800

>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>

>> To: Maloto Nyirenda <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw>

>> Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"

>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>,

>> "rpd-request at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>"

>>         <rpd-request at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31

>> Message-ID: <8A75D201-832F-4CC8-A178-DF6FC165ADCF at delong.com

>> <mailto:8A75D201-832F-4CC8-A178-DF6FC165ADCF at delong.com>>

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>>

>> That?s good feedback. I?ll look into making sure we try to

>> document our selection criteria.

>>

>> I will say that we do try to select individuals that we

>> believe are likely to be valuable contributors to the

>> community, primarily ICT students or those early in their ICT

>> careers. We do not call for participants that are not likely

>> to engage.

>>

>> Owen

>>

>>

>> > On Feb 16, 2020, at 23:14 , Maloto Nyirenda

>> <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw> wrote:

>> >

>> > I think it is highly significant  that such fellows 

>> selected  are  able to contribute in such meetings through

>> active contributions, however the  terms of their selections

>> are well outlined, otherwise there is no  logic  calling

>> participants  that are not likely to engage in such  fellowships

>> >

>> > regards

>> > Maloto

>> > From: rpd-request at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> <rpd-request at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>>>

>> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:21 AM

>> > To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>

>> > Subject: RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31

>> >

>> > Send RPD mailing list submissions to

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>> > Today's Topics:

>> >

>> >    1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Daniel Yakmut)

>> >    2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> >

>> > Message: 1

>> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:11:21 +0100

>> > From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com

>> <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>

>> <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>>>

>> > To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com

>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com

>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>>, Arnaud AMELINA

>> >         <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>

>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>>,

>> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List

>> >         <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>

>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> > Message-ID: <06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com

>> <mailto:06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com>

>> <mailto:06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com

>> <mailto:06938d8a-fa65-ab60-bdd6-d70312115497 at gmail.com>>>

>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252";

>> Format="flowed"

>> >

>> > I suspect when we ask questions, and the questions are

>> coming from a non

>> > bias perception, then I believe you will have received several

>> > responses. However, I will attempt to say that Larus

>> Foundation's major

>> > objective can be surmised as "Providing opportunity,

>> increasing access

>> > and exposing young Africans to the AfriNIC processes"

>> >

>> > - How they choose their Fellows is at there discretion.

>> >

>> > - How they evaluate the Fellows is also their business,

>> however they may

>> > wish, to one day give us the result of their impact

>> analysis. At that

>> > point we can appreciate Larus Foundation for giving young

>> Africans an

>> > opportunity to contribute to the growth of the Internet

>> Community in Africa.

>> >

>> > - I strongly support that Larus Foundation provides their

>> Fellows with

>> > some stipend either as a blanket support or tied to some

>> form of

>> > performance indicators, this should not be a subject of

>> interest to

>> > anyone, since the person is not providing the funds.

>> >

>> > - Lastly, I have seen Larus Foundation becoming more open

>> with their

>> > processes in the last two meetings, which gives any African

>> the

>> > opportunity to apply for the fellow and possibly be

>> selected to attend.

>> >

>> > Just my attempt to respond and remove the bizarre silence.

>> >

>> > Simply,

>> >

>> > Daniel

>> >

>> > On 14/02/2020 9:50 pm, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:

>> > > Dear Community,

>> > >

>> > > It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no

>> responses so

>> > > far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them

>> soon to

>> > > enlighten this community.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Marcus

>> > >

>> > > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte

>> <https://aka.ms/blhgte>>

>> > >

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>> > > *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com

>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com

>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>>

>> > > *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM

>> > > *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>

>> > > *Subject:* [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> > > Dear community,

>> > >

>> > > You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus?

>> Foundation

>> > > fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided

>> to fellows as

>> > > meeting background material(*) and which? intended to

>> condition their

>> > > views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and

>> after..

>> > >

>> > > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html

>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>

>> > >

>> > > I came across the actual agreement? which defines the

>> terms and

>> > > conditions under which? the fellowship program work.

>> > >

>> > > The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the

>> followings:

>> > >

>> > > Page 1

>> > > Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship

>> program and

>> > > payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow

>> performance*

>> > >

>> > > Page 2

>> > > Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the

>> meeting, not

>> > > just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing

>> opinions,

>> > > responding to comments, participate in Hallway

>> conversations.....

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Page 5

>> > > Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at

>> Larus? foundation

>> > > satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final

>> decision for

>> > > the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s

>> sole discretion...

>> > >

>> > > Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the

>> total value of

>> > > the stipend as the followings:

>> > > First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare,

>> hotel, other

>> > > transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.

>> > >

>> > > The second part: the remainder will be paid after the

>> meeting... the

>> > > value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is

>> contingent to

>> > > fellow attendance and participation and conformance to

>> the fellowship

>> > > terms and conditions? herein....

>> > >

>> > > Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and

>> binding to

>> > > the parties

>> > >

>> > > At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails

>> to actively

>> > > participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or

>> violate this

>> > > terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.?

>> In addition,

>> > > Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up

>> front? by

>> > > Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such

>> compensation,

>> > > including but not limited to court? costs, collection

>> costs and attorney.

>> > > =====

>> > >

>> > > The following questions come to mind:

>> > >

>> > > 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which

>> is purely

>> > > based? on Larus views on each proposals, positions to

>> defend, what are

>> > > the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are

>> the objectives

>> > > aligned with the general community interest?

>> > >

>> > > 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions

>> that opinions

>> > > expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus

>> opinions? and

>> > > do not represent fellow individual opinions?

>> > >

>> > > 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole

>> > > discretion? What are the metrics and values used to

>> determine the

>> > > performance level?

>> > >

>> > > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the

>> fellow performance?

>> > >

>> > > Regards

>> > > __

>> > >

>> > > _______________________________________________

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>> > Message: 2

>> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:21:22 -0800

>> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>

>> <mailto:owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>>

>> > To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>>

>> > Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List

>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>

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>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> > Message-ID:

>> <D39C0414-932C-457D-9102-91D0253233AB at delong.com

>> <mailto:D39C0414-932C-457D-9102-91D0253233AB at delong.com>

>> <mailto:D39C0414-932C-457D-9102-91D0253233AB at delong.com

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>> > > On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege

>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com

>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to

>> the amount of time they public spend at the mic ??

>> >

>> > No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the

>> sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive

>> sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.

>> >

>> > > Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly

>> question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?

>> >

>> > I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical

>> possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be

>> relevant.

>> >

>> > We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.

>> >

>> > > As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of

>> helping the community we must always be cognizant of the

>> bellow the line motives.

>> >

>> > While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process,

>> I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My

>> motivation in this process is to

>> > encourage additional active participation. It is my belief

>> that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged

>> community.

>> >

>> > > Pls note I?m reading from the response.  And not

>> insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a

>> duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it

>> probably is a duck.

>> >

>> > Please just say what you mean.

>> >

>> > Owen

>> >

>> > >

>> > > ......just saying

>> > >

>> > > BN

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Badru Ntege

>> > > Group CEO

>> > > NFTCONSULT

>> > > +256 772712088

>> > > Twt: ntegeb

>> > >

>> > > From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com

>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com

>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>>

>> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:00 AM

>> > > To: Arnaud AMELINA; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List

>> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> > >

>> > > Dear Community,

>> > >

>> > > It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no

>> responses so far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide

>> them soon to enlighten this community.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Marcus

>> > >

>> > > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte

>> <https://aka.ms/blhgte>>

>> > > From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com

>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com

>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>>

>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM

>> > > To: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>

>> > > Subject: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> > >

>> > > Dear community,

>> > >

>> > > You may remember the  recent discussions about Larus 

>> Foundation fellowship in respect to  educational documents

>> provided to fellows as meeting background material(*) and

>> which  intended to condition their views on proposals and

>> their contributions at the PPM and after..

>> > >

>> > > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html

>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>

>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html

>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>>

>> > >

>> > > I came across the actual agreement which defines the

>> terms and conditions under which  the fellowship program work.

>> > >

>> > > The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the

>> followings:

>> > >

>> > > Page 1

>> > > Larus Foundation  obligations to offer the fellowship

>> program and payments are subject to terms and conditions and 

>> *fellow performance*

>> > >

>> > > Page 2

>> > > Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the

>> meeting, not just sit in the meeting room. This can include

>> voicing opinions, responding to comments, participate in

>> Hallway conversations.....

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Page 5

>> > > Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at

>> Larus  foundation satisfaction... Larus will offer

>> stipends... the final decision for the disbursement of the

>> stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...

>> > >

>> > > Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the

>> total value of the stipend as the followings:

>> > > First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare,

>> hotel, other transportation costs for the meeting paid up

>> front  by Larus.

>> > >

>> > > The second part: the remainder will be paid after the

>> meeting... the value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend

>> payment is contingent to fellow attendance and participation

>> and conformance to the fellowship terms and conditions 

>> herein....

>> > >

>> > > Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and

>> binding to the parties

>> > >

>> > > At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails

>> to actively participate in fellowship program and in the

>> meeting or violate this terms and conditions, the stipend

>> will not be offered.  In addition, Larus is entitled to seek

>> indemnify for all costs pay up front  by Larus and any cost

>> associated to the collection of such compensation, including

>> but not limited to court  costs, collection costs and attorney.

>> > > =====

>> > >

>> > > The following questions come to mind:

>> > >

>> > > 1-  From the educational material given to fellows which

>> is purely based  on Larus views on each proposals, positions

>> to defend, what are the objectives set  for each policy

>> meeting and how are the objectives aligned with the general

>> community interest?

>> > >

>> > > 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions

>> that opinions expressed  by fellows during policy meetings

>> are Larus opinions  and do not represent fellow individual

>> opinions?

>> > >

>> > > 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus

>> sole discretion? What are the metrics and values used to

>> determine the performance level?

>> > >

>> > > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied  based on the

>> fellow performance?

>> > >

>> > > Regards

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