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<p>Hi Badru,</p>
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<p>We can only heal, when some people don't claim entitlement over
AfriNIC. I don't think as African, I will be seen to be less
African or less Patriotic, such notions breed rebellion.</p>
<p>I will differ slightly with some of your opinions, we need
independent sponsors. In that regard as a community we can create
a Fellowship "regulations" for any organization to follow and
provide support outside the AfriNIC structure.</p>
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<p>cheers</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/02/202Hi Badru0 5:25 am, Badru
Ntege wrote:<br>
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<div>In the court of public opinion and the absence of a moderator
on this particular issue, but based on many emails over the last
few days. Looks like the analogy of “walks like a duck quacks
like a duck must be a 🦆“ seems to have some substance here. </div>
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<div>So i would suggest we ask any foundation planning to assist
the community to go through Afrinic as suggested by Jordi</div>
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<div>In the absence of that we can explore the motives of that
organization especially where through the discussions it has
been insinuated that the same organization or a related party
might be using allocated resources in a manner that contradicts
the rules of allocation and thus could be using funds to subvert
policy through mass recruitment and paying for open mic and
policy discussion time </div>
<div><br>
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<div>I think we have to be practical arround this issue and
resolve it in a mature way. </div>
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<div>Lets fix what is wrong and not blindly debate the issue.
Its very clear something is not right. </div>
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<div>Communities heal and grow or divide and die. Lets heal. </div>
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<div>Regards </div>
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<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 19 Feb 2020, at 07:09, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Hi Blaise,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Don’t think that only in Africa many
people don’t know about AFRINIC, the meetings, the
PDP, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">This is a common in all the RIRs. Many
ISPs only see the relevant RIR as the “provider” of
the IP addresses, not as an organization that is the
community itself, and it is up to the community to
setup the rules (PDP -> policies).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
19/2/20 2:53, "Blaise Fyama" <<a
href="mailto:bfyama@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">bfyama@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">This discussion is a true
replica of a bald bal ... after the fourth day we
see who is really who!<br>
Beyond LARUS I would like us to also be told the
conditions for the selection of African-African
organizations. Are all African geopolitics taken
into account, does popularization conform to
standards? Or concerns only a privileged few
connected to the "system"? Personally I am amazed
that the overwhelming part of the African
community does not know everything about AFRINIC I
can give testimony of my own region where I am. An
impartial and multi-criteria analysis on ALL
fellowships systems for AFRINIC meetings would be
more beneficial for the entire community. An Asian
organization which offers scholarships to young
Africans by its methods against African-African
organizations which also offer scholarships
according to their methods.<br>
<br>
Anyway between Africans we know each other well!<br
clear="all">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Blaise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
<span
style="color:blue">Blaise
FYAMA</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Msc,
PhD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Professeur
Associé</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Secrétaire
Général Académique
Honoraire/UL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Doyen
de la Faculté des
Sciences
Informatiques/UPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Doyen
a.i de la Faculté
Polytechnique/UPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Chef
de Département Génie
Electrique/ESI-UNILU</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Chef
de Service
Informatique/Polytech-UNILU</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Consultant
Informatique
BIT/PAEJK</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Tel:
+243995579515</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">Numéro
O.N.I.CIV: 00460</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">MSc,
PhD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">Associate
Professor</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">Honorary
Academic Secretary
General / UL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">Dean of
the Faculty of
Computer Science /
UPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">Dean
a.i of the
Polytechnic Faculty
/ UPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">Head of
Department of
Electrical
Engineering /
ESI-UNILU</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">IT
Service Manager /
Polytech-UNILU</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">IT
Consultant BIT /
PAEJK</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">Phone:
+243995579515</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">O.N.I.CIV
number: 00460</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le mar.
18 févr. 2020 à 16:11, Kakel Mbumb <<a
href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The
general understanding I have is that more african
youths and part of its population need to
contribute on the use of internet and the way it
changes people's lives. Different organizations
are therefore welcomed to provide support or
training whenever possible to bring awareness on
the issue about internet use and regulations. And
everyone is entitled to have its own internal
management unless it goes against the general
approbation as per Law. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">From
my experience, I have a lot of Youths in my
country who are in the IT sector but don't
even know what is AFRINIC and how it
contributes to the improvement of internet in
Africa. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Sponsors
are therefore contributing to make them aware
of that and have the chance to take part to
Policy meetings. People are not handcuffed to
be obliged to have a certain stsnd and they
are free to choose whether to abide by the
rules or not. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">My
thought. !!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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3. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31 (Owen
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:49:48 +0300<br>
From: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
To: Owen DeLong <<a
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege
<<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Am i reading that participants will be
rewarded due to the amount of time<br>
> they public spend at the mic ??<br>
><br>
><br>
> No. Amount of time is only relevant in
attendance at the sessions.<br>
> However, we also don?t want to see purely
passive sitting through sessions,<br>
> but actual active engagement in them.<br>
><br>
> Just asking what might outrightly be seen
as a silly question but looks<br>
> like ?open mic minutes for sell?<br>
><br>
><br>
> I realize you and some others wish to take
the most cynical possible view.<br>
> Please note that I said the comments must
be relevant.<br>
><br>
> We are attempting to encourage legitimate
active participation.<br>
><br>
> As much as we appreciate the above the line
opticals of helping the<br>
> community we must always be cognizant of
the bellow the line motives.<br>
><br>
><br>
> While I cannot speak for everyone involved
in this process, I can assure<br>
> you that I have no below-the-line
motivation. My motivation in this process<br>
> is to<br>
> encourage additional active participation.
It is my belief that the best<br>
> policies will evolve from the most engaged
community.<br>
><br>
> Pls note I?m reading from the response.
And not insinuating any motives<br>
> but as they say If it looks like a duck,
swims like a duck, and quacks like<br>
> a duck, then it probably is a duck.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Please just say what you mean.<br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
><br>
<br>
Owen,<br>
<br>
Your continous support to these controversies
amuses me a lot.<br>
<br>
You are rewarding people for time spent at the
mic to create an engaged<br>
community for a better PDP?<br>
<br>
As you know, all the current active policies
were discussed and ratified by<br>
this community over the past 20 years and Larus
Foundation was never there<br>
when various proposals were drafted and
deliberated, past volunteers<br>
co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on
this list and over the<br>
years through rough consensus, they got all the
active policies today<br>
ratified.<br>
<br>
I am disgusted by this continued undermining of
AfriNIC.<br>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:03:23 -0800<br>
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PDP<br>
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> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:49 , Noah <<a
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wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong,
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> <br>
> <br>
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege
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>> <br>
>> Am i reading that participants will be
rewarded due to the amount of time they public
spend at the mic ??
<br>
> <br>
> No. Amount of time is only relevant in
attendance at the sessions. However, we also
don?t want to see purely passive sitting through
sessions, but actual active engagement in them.<br>
> <br>
>> Just asking what might outrightly be
seen as a silly question but looks like ?open
mic minutes for sell?<br>
> <br>
> I realize you and some others wish to take
the most cynical possible view. Please note that
I said the comments must be relevant.<br>
> <br>
> We are attempting to encourage legitimate
active participation.<br>
> <br>
>> As much as we appreciate the above the
line opticals of helping the community we must
always be cognizant of the bellow the line
motives.
<br>
> <br>
> While I cannot speak for everyone involved
in this process, I can assure you that I have no
below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this
process is to<br>
> encourage additional active participation.
It is my belief that the best policies will
evolve from the most engaged community.<br>
> <br>
>> Pls note I?m reading from the
response. And not insinuating any motives but
as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like
a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably
is a duck.<br>
> <br>
> Please just say what you mean.<br>
> <br>
> Owen<br>
> <br>
> Owen,<br>
> <br>
> Your continous support to these
controversies amuses me a lot.<br>
> <br>
> You are rewarding people for time spent at
the mic to create an engaged community for a
better PDP?
<br>
> <br>
> As you know, all the current active
policies were discussed and ratified by this
community over the past 20 years and Larus
Foundation was never there when various
proposals were drafted and deliberated, past
volunteers co-chaired the PPM and managed
working groups on this list and over the years
through rough consensus, they got all the active
policies today ratified.<br>
> <br>
> I am disgusted by this continued
undermining of AfriNIC. <br>
<br>
I am confused as to how bringing new blood into
the process is ?undermining?.<br>
<br>
New blood and new ideas are life for any
organization or process which intends to
continue for more than a very short period of
time.<br>
<br>
The board we have today is not the board we had
when AfriNIC began. Is having a new board
undermining the process?<br>
The CEO we have today is not the CEO we had when
AfriNIC began. Is having a new CEO undermining
the process?<br>
Many of the most vocal participants in the
process today were not participants in the
process when AfriNIC began. Are you saying that
any voice which was not here at the beginning is
?undermining the process??<br>
<br>
It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation
to undermine anything. We are, exactly as Daniel
said, providing opportunities for more Africans
to participate in the AfriNIC process.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
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That?s good feedback. I?ll look into making sure
we try to document our selection criteria.<br>
<br>
I will say that we do try to select individuals
that we believe are likely to be valuable
contributors to the community, primarily ICT
students or those early in their ICT careers. We
do not call for participants that are not likely
to engage.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
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> On Feb 16, 2020, at 23:14 , Maloto Nyirenda
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> <br>
> I think it is highly significant that such
fellows selected are able to contribute in
such meetings through active contributions,
however the terms of their selections are well
outlined, otherwise there is no logic calling
participants that are not likely to engage in
such fellowships<br>
> <br>
> regards<br>
> Maloto<br>
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> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:11:21 +0100<br>
> From: Daniel Yakmut <<a
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
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> I suspect when we ask questions, and the
questions are coming from a non <br>
> bias perception, then I believe you will
have received several <br>
> responses. However, I will attempt to say
that Larus Foundation's major <br>
> objective can be surmised as "Providing
opportunity, increasing access <br>
> and exposing young Africans to the AfriNIC
processes"<br>
> <br>
> - How they choose their Fellows is at there
discretion.<br>
> <br>
> - How they evaluate the Fellows is also
their business, however they may <br>
> wish, to one day give us the result of
their impact analysis. At that <br>
> point we can appreciate Larus Foundation
for giving young Africans an <br>
> opportunity to contribute to the growth of
the Internet Community in Africa.<br>
> <br>
> - I strongly support that Larus Foundation
provides their Fellows with <br>
> some stipend either as a blanket support or
tied to some form of <br>
> performance indicators, this should not be
a subject of interest to <br>
> anyone, since the person is not providing
the funds.<br>
> <br>
> - Lastly, I have seen Larus Foundation
becoming more open with their <br>
> processes in the last two meetings, which
gives any African the <br>
> opportunity to apply for the fellow and
possibly be selected to attend.<br>
> <br>
> Just my attempt to respond and remove the
bizarre silence.<br>
> <br>
> Simply,<br>
> <br>
> Daniel<br>
> <br>
> On 14/02/2020 9:50 pm, Marcus K. G. Adomey
wrote:<br>
> > Dear Community,<br>
> ><br>
> > It looks bizarre that the questions
asked here got no responses so <br>
> > far. I do hope the Larus Foundation
will provide them soon to <br>
> > enlighten this community.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Marcus<br>
> ><br>
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> > *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <<a
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> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020
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> > *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
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> > *Subject:* [rpd] Larus foundation and
Afrinic PDP<br>
> > Dear community,<br>
> ><br>
> > You may remember the? recent
discussions about Larus? Foundation <br>
> > fellowship in respect to? educational
documents provided to fellows as <br>
> > meeting background material(*) and
which? intended to condition their <br>
> > views on proposals and their
contributions at the PPM and after..<br>
> ><br>
> > <a
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> ><br>
> > I came across the actual agreement?
which defines the terms and <br>
> > conditions under which? the fellowship
program work.<br>
> ><br>
> > The agreement signed by each fellow
stipulated the followings:<br>
> ><br>
> > Page 1<br>
> > Larus Foundation? obligations to offer
the fellowship program and <br>
> > payments are subject to terms and
conditions and? *fellow performance*<br>
> ><br>
> > Page 2<br>
> > Fellow is expected to meaningfully
participate in the meeting, not <br>
> > just sit in the meeting room. This can
include voicing opinions, <br>
> > responding to comments, participate in
Hallway conversations.....<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Page 5<br>
> > Upon fellow completion of the
fellowship program at Larus? foundation <br>
> > satisfaction... Larus will offer
stipends... the final decision for <br>
> > the disbursement of the stipends is
subject to Larus?s sole discretion...<br>
> ><br>
> > Value of the stipend: There are two
parts that form the total value of <br>
> > the stipend as the followings:<br>
> > First part(advanced payment): in the
form of airfare, hotel, other <br>
> > transportation costs for the meeting
paid up front? by Larus.<br>
> ><br>
> > The second part: the remainder will be
paid after the meeting... the <br>
> > value is in the range of 0 to 500$.
Stipend payment is contingent to <br>
> > fellow attendance and participation
and conformance to the fellowship <br>
> > terms and conditions? herein....<br>
> ><br>
> > Larus judgment on fellow participation
will be final and binding to <br>
> > the parties<br>
> ><br>
> > At Larus sole discretion, in the event
that fellow fails to actively <br>
> > participate in fellowship program and
in the meeting or violate this <br>
> > terms and conditions, the stipend will
not be offered.? In addition, <br>
> > Larus is entitled to seek indemnify
for all costs pay up front? by <br>
> > Larus and any cost associated to the
collection of such compensation, <br>
> > including but not limited to court?
costs, collection costs and attorney.<br>
> > =====<br>
> ><br>
> > The following questions come to mind:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1-? From the educational material
given to fellows which is purely <br>
> > based? on Larus views on each
proposals, positions to defend, what are <br>
> > the objectives set for each policy
meeting and how are the objectives <br>
> > aligned with the general community
interest?<br>
> ><br>
> > 2- Would Larus assume under these
terms and conditions that opinions <br>
> > expressed? by fellows during policy
meetings are Larus opinions? and <br>
> > do not represent fellow individual
opinions?<br>
> ><br>
> > 3- how is fellow performance measured
as it is at Larus sole <br>
> > discretion? What are the metrics and
values used to determine the <br>
> > performance level?<br>
> ><br>
> > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$)
applied? based on the fellow performance?<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> > __<br>
> ><br>
> >
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> > On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru
Ntege <<a
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wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > Am i reading that participants will be
rewarded due to the amount of time they public
spend at the mic ??
<br>
> <br>
> No. Amount of time is only relevant in
attendance at the sessions. However, we also
don?t want to see purely passive sitting through
sessions, but actual active engagement in them.<br>
> <br>
> > Just asking what might outrightly be
seen as a silly question but looks like ?open
mic minutes for sell?<br>
> <br>
> I realize you and some others wish to take
the most cynical possible view. Please note that
I said the comments must be relevant.<br>
> <br>
> We are attempting to encourage legitimate
active participation.<br>
> <br>
> > As much as we appreciate the above the
line opticals of helping the community we must
always be cognizant of the bellow the line
motives.
<br>
> <br>
> While I cannot speak for everyone involved
in this process, I can assure you that I have no
below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this
process is to<br>
> encourage additional active participation.
It is my belief that the best policies will
evolve from the most engaged community.<br>
> <br>
> > Pls note I?m reading from the
response. And not insinuating any motives but
as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like
a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably
is a duck.<br>
> <br>
> Please just say what you mean.<br>
> <br>
> Owen<br>
> <br>
> > <br>
> > ......just saying<br>
> > <br>
> > BN<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Badru Ntege<br>
> > Group CEO<br>
> > NFTCONSULT<br>
> > +256 772712088<br>
> > Twt: ntegeb<br>
> > <br>
> > From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a
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> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:00
AM<br>
> > To: Arnaud AMELINA; AfriNIC Resource
Policy Discussion List<br>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation
and Afrinic PDP<br>
> > <br>
> > Dear Community,<br>
> > <br>
> > It looks bizarre that the questions
asked here got no responses so far. I do hope
the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to
enlighten this community.<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Marcus<br>
> > <br>
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> > From: Arnaud AMELINA <<a
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> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020
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> > To: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
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> > Subject: [rpd] Larus foundation and
Afrinic PDP<br>
> > <br>
> > Dear community,<br>
> > <br>
> > You may remember the recent
discussions about Larus Foundation fellowship
in respect to educational documents provided to
fellows as meeting background material(*) and
which intended to condition their views on
proposals and their contributions at the PPM and
after..<br>
> > <br>
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> > <br>
> > I came across the actual agreement
which defines the terms and conditions under
which the fellowship program work.<br>
> > <br>
> > The agreement signed by each fellow
stipulated the followings:<br>
> > <br>
> > Page 1<br>
> > Larus Foundation obligations to offer
the fellowship program and payments are subject
to terms and conditions and *fellow
performance*<br>
> > <br>
> > Page 2<br>
> > Fellow is expected to meaningfully
participate in the meeting, not just sit in the
meeting room. This can include voicing opinions,
responding to comments, participate in Hallway
conversations.....<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Page 5<br>
> > Upon fellow completion of the
fellowship program at Larus foundation
satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the
final decision for the disbursement of the
stipends is subject to Larus?s sole
discretion...<br>
> > <br>
> > Value of the stipend: There are two
parts that form the total value of the stipend
as the followings:<br>
> > First part(advanced payment): in the
form of airfare, hotel, other transportation
costs for the meeting paid up front by Larus.<br>
> > <br>
> > The second part: the remainder will be
paid after the meeting... the value is in the
range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is
contingent to fellow attendance and
participation and conformance to the fellowship
terms and conditions herein....<br>
> > <br>
> > Larus judgment on fellow participation
will be final and binding to the parties<br>
> > <br>
> > At Larus sole discretion, in the event
that fellow fails to actively participate in
fellowship program and in the meeting or violate
this terms and conditions, the stipend will not
be offered. In addition, Larus is entitled to
seek indemnify for all costs pay up front by
Larus and any cost associated to the collection
of such compensation, including but not limited
to court costs, collection costs and attorney.<br>
> > =====<br>
> > <br>
> > The following questions come to mind:<br>
> > <br>
> > 1- From the educational material
given to fellows which is purely based on Larus
views on each proposals, positions to defend,
what are the objectives set for each policy
meeting and how are the objectives aligned with
the general community interest?<br>
> > <br>
> > 2- Would Larus assume under these
terms and conditions that opinions expressed by
fellows during policy meetings are Larus
opinions and do not represent fellow individual
opinions?
<br>
> > <br>
> > 3- how is fellow performance measured
as it is at Larus sole discretion? What are the
metrics and values used to determine the
performance level?<br>
> > <br>
> > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$)
applied based on the fellow performance?<br>
> > <br>
> > Regards <br>
> > __<br>
> >
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