[rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Salut Kakel,

J'ignore par quelle organisme, tu as eu l'occasion de participer à Tunis
aux activité de la communauté d'AFRINIC, ça n'a absolument pas
d'importance. Et il n'y a pas d'acharnement contre une seule organisation,
on a fait un constat amer de la proc"dure subversive utilisée par une
structure, qui semble être en conflit d'intérêt. C'est cela le problème si
ça ne te pause aucun problème c'est ton opinion et je la respect.

Pour histoire je t'invite à suivre le lien fourni qui renvoie à un ancien
mail, contenant les preuves qui nous ont inquiété dans le processus de
sélection de gestion et d'attribution des bourses de cette fondation. En
effet dans le document de travail fournis aux boursiers il était question
de leur apprendre le processus de production, de discussion et de
validation des politiques de gestion des ressources. Malheureusement dans
ce document il est fait références des propositions de politiques en cours
de discussion dans la communauté avec des informations fausses ou Tronquées
concernant certaines politiques de les responsables de cette fondation
combattaient, voies une objectivité dans cette procédure ??? Il est dit au
participants que telle politique est mauvaise parce qu'elle ne leur plait
pas telle autre est bonne parce qu'elle les arrange, et on donne des
scripts à aller litre au micro aux boursiers qui ne comprennent même pas
les enjeux et objectifs des politiques en discussion. Quand on leur pose
des questions ils n'y répondent pas ou s'enfuient ou se fâchent, où est
'l'objectivité dans ça. Et c'est à cette pratique là que nous attirons
l'attention de la communauté, ce n'est pas un acharnement c'est une
insistance afin que les uns et les autres prennent conscience.

Je ne suis absolument pas contre une attribution de bourses aux jeunes
africains, mais je refuses qu'on achète leur conscience, même
indirectement. Rien n'empêche cette structure à mettre à la disposition
d'Afrinic les fonds octroyés pour ces bourses en indiquant leur
préférences, ou spécifications s'ils cadrent avec les objectifs d'Afrinic,
je ne vois pas Afrinic refuser cette offre. C'est tout ce qu'on demande.

Cordialement.

Arnaud

Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 06:00, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com> a écrit :


> Il est à noter qu'ici nous voulons une forme de contribution inclusive des

> différents membres de communautés pour apporter un plus dans l'usage

> d'internet en Afrique.

>

> Au delà de Larus ou d'Afrinic, il ya aussi d'autres organisations :

> secteur privé, Public, société civile, etc. Qui font participer des

> boursiers ou leurs agents pour apporter des contributions.

> Chacun est libre d'exprimer ses opinions et il est à noter que personne

> n'est forcée d'accepter d'être accompagné pour ce genre d'événements.

>

> J'ai découvert AFRINIC en tant que boursier d'un autre programme qui

> m'avait permis de me rendre en Tunisie. Étant du domaine IT, Je ne

> connaissais même pas le processus de politiques publiques, ni AFRINIC ; ce

> fut donc une Nouvelle et je me suis dit qu'il fallait en faire bénéficier

> plus de jeunes africains à la table de discussions.

>

> Je suis rentré dans mon pays et j'en ai parlé à différentes parties

> prenantes. Nous avons de ce fait milité à avoir plus de participants

> physiques quand bien même l'aspect de participation virtuelle n'est pas à

> élaguer ; je pense qu'il y a une manière différente de comprendre les

> choses de près ou de loin.

>

> Qu'on nous démontre alors où est le vrai problème quand une organisation

> tel que Larus permet à certains jeunes de prendre part à ces assises en les

> laissant libres ou non d'accepter.

>

> Listons avant tout toutes ces organisations qui font participer les

> boursiers car on sent une forme d'acharnement sur une seule structure.

> Quelqu'un nous a ici parlé de WACREN; savons-nous comment ils opèrent

> aussi leur processus de sélection ?

>

> Take it easy and let's stay objective....

>

>

> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 18:08, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :

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>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:58:28 +0000

>> From: Eva Nadege N'Cho <evayedidja at gmail.com>

>> To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>,  "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource

>>         Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: [rpd] RE?:  Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> Salut ? tous,

>> Apr?s lecture des termes et conditions du programme de bourse Larus, je

>> reste perplexe quant ? l?impartialit? de certains crit?res notamment ceux

>> mentionn?s ? la ??Page 5??.

>>

>> Je ne voudrais pas m??taler sur ce point mais je pense que le fait

>> d?avoir d?autres programmes de bourses pour participer aux r?unions de

>> l?AFRINIC est louable mais si cela cr?e des suspicions dans la communaut?

>> alors je trouve que la proposition de @Jordi est judicieuse.

>>

>> Les bourses offertes par AFRINIC?, LARUS ou toute autre organisme sont

>> pour la communaut? alors je ne vois pas le mal ? cr?er un cadre de

>> concertation sur les clauses des programmes de bourses.

>> Je crois qu?au final c?est toujours la communaut? qui en sortira gagnante.

>>

>> Merci

>>

>> Eva Yedidja

>>

>> De?: Arnaud AMELINA

>> Envoy? le?:dimanche 12 janvier 2020 12:25

>> ??: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy

>> Objet?:[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>>

>> Dear community,

>>

>> You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus? Foundation

>> fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided to fellows as

>> meeting background material(*) and which? intended to condition their views

>> on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..

>>

>> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html

>>

>> I came across the actual agreement? which defines the terms and

>> conditions under which? the fellowship program work.

>>

>> The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:

>>

>> Page 1

>> Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship program and

>> payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow performance*

>>

>> Page 2

>> Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not just

>> sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions, responding to

>> comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....

>>

>>

>> Page 5

>> Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus? foundation

>> satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for the

>> disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...

>>

>> Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of

>> the stipend as the followings:

>> First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other

>> transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.

>>

>> The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the

>> value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to fellow

>> attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship terms and

>> conditions? herein....

>>

>> Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to the

>> parties

>>

>> At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively

>> participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this terms

>> and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.? In addition, Larus is

>> entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front? by Larus and any

>> cost associated to the collection of such compensation, including but not

>> limited to court? costs, collection costs and attorney.

>> =====

>>

>> The following questions come to mind:

>>

>> 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which is purely based?

>> on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are the

>> objectives set? for each policy meeting and how are the objectives aligned

>> with the general community interest?

>>

>> 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions

>> expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions? and do not

>> represent fellow individual opinions??

>>

>> 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole discretion?

>> What are the metrics and values used to determine the performance level?

>>

>> 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the fellow performance?

>>

>> Regards?

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>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:09:42 +0000

>> From: Eva Nadege N'Cho <evayedidja at gmail.com>

>> To: Jean-Robert Hountomey <jrhountomey at gmail.com>

>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: [rpd] RE?:  Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> +1 @Jean-Robert

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>>

>> Eva Yedidja

>>

>> De?: Jean-Robert Hountomey

>> Envoy? le?:mardi 18 f?vrier 2020 15:49

>> ??: Daniel Yakmut

>> Cc?: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List

>> Objet?:Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> > I have observed that people have gradually been staying away from these

>> meetings for lack of funding.

>> > Consequently, if support ceases we are likely to have AfriNIC turn into

>> a "Cabal", where only a privilege few that attend meeting determines what

>> happens. This is dangerous and alienating.

>>

>> Organizing local communities and encouraging Remote participation could

>> help. And AfriNIC meetings are recorded. (1).

>>

>> One could organise communities to attend AfriNIC Meetings remotely. RENs,

>> Local ICT orgs, ISOC Chapters, informal gathering etc?? are good candidates

>> for remote viewing and participation.?

>>

>> This can go as far as to invite past fellows, LIRs to get together

>> locally, share their experience, expectations and discuss policies

>> implications. One sees a greater impact.

>>

>> (1). https://www.youtube.com/user/AfriNICMedia/videos

>>

>> Jean-Robert Hountomey

>>

>>

>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:13 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Hmm... Noah,

>> Please do you have a foundation or source of support to bring new persons

>> into the community during AfriNIC or AIS, because that will be wonderful.

>> However, I have observed that people have gradually been staying away from

>> these meetings for lack of funding.

>> Aside the AfriNIC Fellowship and now Larus Foundation do we have other

>> source of support to bring people to the meetings? I wouldn't want to

>> instigate the community against a support that will make the community a

>> robust and engaging one.

>> Consequently, if support ceases we are likely to have AfriNIC turn into a

>> "Cabal", where only a privilege few that attend meeting determines what

>> happens. This is dangerous and alienating.

>> I don't see where Larus Foundation is undermining AfriNIC. But, if we an

>> island and self sufficient can we then ask that all external support stop

>> and we do our things the way we want.

>> my take,

>> Daniel

>> On 17/02/2020 8:49 pm, Noah wrote:

>>

>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time

>> they public spend at the mic ?? ?

>>

>> No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions.

>> However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions,

>> but actual active engagement in them.

>>

>>

>> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks

>> like ?open mic minutes for sell?

>>

>> I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible

>> view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.

>>

>> We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.

>>

>>

>> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the

>> community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives. ?

>>

>> While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure

>> you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process

>> is to

>> encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best

>> policies will evolve from the most engaged community.

>>

>>

>> Pls note I?m reading from the response.? And not insinuating any motives

>> but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like

>> a duck, then it probably is a duck.

>>

>> Please just say what you mean.

>>

>> Owen

>>

>> Owen,

>>

>> Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.

>>

>> You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create an engaged

>> community for a better PDP??

>>

>> As you know, all the current active policies were discussed and ratified

>> by this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation was never

>> there when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past volunteers

>> co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the

>> years through rough consensus, they got all the active policies today

>> ratified.

>>

>> I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.?

>>

>>

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