[rpd] Afrinic Scandals, future and the PDP

[Owen DeLong]

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 06:00 , gregoire.ehoumi via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

> 

> Hi Nishal,

> 

> I am glad to finally see some conversations on these topics and thanks for your contributions.

> 

> The RPD is indeed the appropriate forum to discuss these issues as it is directly related to the management, distribution and usage of the INRs.

> 

> Your reaction to the cochairs unbelievable decision on the AS0 ROAs proposal did not go unnoticed and I see you mentioning AS0 ROA as one of the solution to the problem being discussed here, as relates to continued routing of hijacked prefixes as bogons.

> 

> How could one understand the Co-Chairs decision about the AS0 ROA in this context without giving the impression that the rot has set in and that there seems to exist some cover-up game going on?


While I don’t entirely agree with the Co-Chairs determination on this item, I will say that there was some appearance of controversy within the community over the proposal and I think their conclusion is arguably legitimate.

I don’t see rot or a coverup here. I see a good faith effort to do the job as described in the PDP and bylaws.

The co-chairs aren’t there to pass value judgment on the merits of the proposal. They are there to guide and moderate the discussion, help the community explore the issues, help the authors develop well written implementable policy, and ultimately to decide whether the community has come to consensus in favor of the proposed policy.

While I believe that the objections raised were addressed and mostly lacked merit, it is entirely legitimate that the co-chairs did not come to the same conclusion.


> We as a community should join the campaign against the routing of these prefixes by porting the message, filtering these special bogons on our networks etc.


I do think that the AS0 ROA proposal is a great part of the solution here and I wholeheartedly support the proposal at this point. However, I will not join any claim that the co-chairs are not doing their job and I do not criticize them just because they came to a different conclusion than I did. I have publicly stated that I have a different opinion, but I hope nobody has construed that as criticism of the co-chairs or the job they are doing. It was not intended as such.

Owen


> 

> Thanks

> 

> - Greg

> 

> 

> -------- Original message --------

> From: Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>

> Date: 2020-02-05 2:42 a.m. (GMT-05:00)

> To: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Afrinic Scandals, future and the PDP

> 

> On 5 Feb 2020, at 2:37, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:

> 

> > Dear All,

> > Relating to points I tried to make here and did not see much traction, 

> > here is more about  the AFRINIC  INRs theft saga.

> > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/routing-wg/2020-January/003987.html

> > I wonder why this is not discussed here and we as community not  

> > taking  our part of the ToDo?

> 

> because there is very little discussion to be had, tbh.

> afrinic is reviewing these, and has already announced that it has 

> reclaimed several blocks.  so, unless

> # you have investigative skills that you can use to assist afrinic;  or

> # you have credible data that you can provide to afrinic to prove 

> allocation/assignment claims;  or

> # have enable on a network that’s routing these once exposed to be 

> illegitimate;

> .. pontificating on public lists isn’t a useful exercise.

> 

> tl;dr - proper investigations take time ..

> 

> otoh, since this is RPD, and to move this to something relevant to this 

> list, if afrinic could issue AS0 ROAs for the illegitimate 

> assigned/allocated blocks, once they have been reclaimed, then once 

> problem that the author reports could easily be resolved.

> 

> “..  much of this "reclaimed" space is still being routed as

> I write this.  The only difference is that now the space is being

> routed as bogons, rather than as "legitimately" allocated space.”

> 

> -n.

> 

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