[rpd] new policy proposal: AFPUB-2019-GEN-003-DRAFT01: "Chairs Elections Process"

[Fernando Frediani]

Hello

I have to agree that I am also not comfortable the way text is 3.3.1 
with regards chair of the same country. While I agree they should not 
come form the same country as much as possible I recognized there are 
exceptions where they have to be and no one should be forced out if they 
became a chair already.

There are two situations where I believe 2 chairs from the same country 
may co-exist:
1) When there are no other acceptable candidates from other countries 
(eg: 1 single candidate form the same country as the current chair or 
all candidates from the same country of the chair)
2) When there is a vacant position that AfricNic Board has to fulfill 
temporarily.

With regards the traveling expenses mentioned I don't think they should 
be in the PDP. While I believe the RIR should always cover that given 
the importance of the role to the RIR community it is discretionary and 
up to them to decide that. Furthermore I don't think having this in the 
PDP can oblige the RIR to do anyway as it's a administrative decision.

I agree with section 3.3.2 in regards the minimum time to be able to 
participate in the election process. It brings a lot of value into the 
process and avoid big issues of non-related people influencing the 
process. This part for me is one of the most important of the proposal.

Fernando

On 08/11/2019 04:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>

> Hi Pascal,

>

> Thanks for your inputs, let me answer below, in-line.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

> El 8/11/19 4:32, "Paschal Ochang" <pascosoft at gmail.com 

> <mailto:pascosoft at gmail.com>> escribió:

>

> Hello this is a great proposal but I have some concerns about some of 

> the newly adopted procedures.

> In section 3.3.1 I don't think it will be right for a chair who has 

> held the position longest to vacate the position in a scenario where 

> the cochairs originate from the same country in extreme scenarios. 

> While we aim to select algorithms to minimize the possibility of a 

> vacant seat at any point in time we should also try not to break the 

> wheel of experience here. A longer serving cochair will be more 

> conversant with the affairs of the PDWG in most cases so I think 

> vacating his or her seat won't be ideal.

>

>   * While I could agree here in your view, I think that there must be

>     a balance in giving opportunity to new people. The text already

>     gives the opportunity to the chairs to take a decision on that.

>     Note also, that if the chair that has been longer time in the

>     position hasn’t exceeded the two consecutive terms, he still can

>     submit his candidacy for that election, so it is giving the voice

>     to the community about that. On the other hand, we may have a

>     longer time in the position chair that is not performing well

>     (even if it has more experience) so the community has a way to not

>     vote him again. It is a difficult balance. I will like to hear

>     from you and others specific suggestions about this point.

>

> Secondly while we aim to sanitize the motives for people contesting 

> for cochair I don't think a little stipend for co-chairs will do any 

> damage to the election process for me I think a per sitting allowance 

> or stipend should be adopted if not already so.

>

>   * AFRINIC (I believe) support the chairs in their traveling expenses

>     to the meeting and from time to time to other RIR meetings. Is not

>     that sufficient? Otherwise, what you will suggest? Should we have

>     that (even for traveling expenses) in the PDP?

>

> section 3.3.2 will disenfranchise voters. It's possible a deprived 

> voter might not be active in the rpd but has been abreast with the 

> happenings of the community. Therefore are we going to say we cannot 

> allow that voter to cast his or her vote?. A deprived voter might be 

> attending a PPM for the first time and will feel disenfranchised 

> because I believe the presentation of the candidates is also an 

> incentive to motivate or give voters an idea of their portfolio which 

> I think is enough to orientate a newbie attendee if I may use that 

> phrase .

>

> Without elaborating or handling some of this concerns I think this 

> proposal cannot be accepted as it is.

>

>   * Note that I’m asking only for having been in the RPD list for 6

>     months. I’m not asking for demonstrating “activity”. I my opinion

>     this will fulfil the case you’re indicating in your first case.

>   * Regarding a newcomer participating as voter, I’ve seen in many RIR

>     meetings, including AFRINIC, a bunch (even hundreds) of local

>     students, participating for the first time as guest. 99% of those

>     participants will never participate again in AFRINIC, RPD, etc.

>     Hundreds of them can vote for a specific candidate, without

>     knowing at all nothing about the candidate or the PDP, for

>     example, just because the candidate is local. Of course, in some

>     cases that candidate can be a very valid one, however nothing

>     ensures it and further this is a distortion of the process and

>     very discriminatory towards the other candidates. For example, the

>     other candidates can say “I’ve organized a remote hub so the

>     people can participate in a remote meeting room” (and get there

>     hundreds of people that possibly will support that candidacy). I

>     think those newcomers can perfectly understand, if they are

>     interested in a continued AFRINIC participation, shy those rules

>     are done and this specific point will not, for that, feel

>     uncomfortable or decide not to continue participating because

>     that, in the other way around “next time I will be voting”. Is

>     like when you need to have 18 years to vote. Reason for that is

>     that you have some degree of “adult thinking, life experience,

>     public policy understanding, etc.”; here we are saying your

>     experience to be able to participate is having been there for a

>     few months.

>   * Note that a participant in the meeting if really interested in

>     AFRINIC, has been able to be in the RPD list much more time ahead

>     the meeting, so nothing forbids him to actually participate.

>   * Last but not least, the way that electronic voting is organized is

>     based on using the RPD list as the electoral census. NOBODY will

>     vote “on-site”, the election is done BEFORE the meeting.

>   * As said, happy to heard inputs on those specific points (and in

>     general in all the proposal, of course!):

>

>

> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, Fernando Frediani 

> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:

>

>     Hello.

>

>     The text of the proposal is well written and I believe brings

>     value to the election process with control mechanisms to ensure

>     neutrality and balance of the chosen persons.

>     One important point I highlight is that staff when implementing

>     this make sure a trustable electronic system is used to ensure one

>     vote by participant and to avoid fraud. I guess something about

>     that will be contained in the impact analysis that will come.

>

>     Fernando

>

>     On 05/11/2019 11:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>

>         Hi all,

>

>         As with the previous ones, I'm attaching our proposal PDF, already submitted, so the community can start commenting in case the publication by AFRINIC is delayed.

>

>         Thanks in advance for any inputs!

>

>         Regards,

>

>         Jordi

>

>         @jordipalet

>

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