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<p>Hello</p>
<p>I have to agree that I am also not comfortable the way text is
3.3.1 with regards chair of the same country. While I agree they
should not come form the same country as much as possible I
recognized there are exceptions where they have to be and no one
should be forced out if they became a chair already.<br>
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<p>There are two situations where I believe 2 chairs from the same
country may co-exist:<br>
1) When there are no other acceptable candidates from other
countries (eg: 1 single candidate form the same country as the
current chair or all candidates from the same country of the
chair)<br>
2) When there is a vacant position that AfricNic Board has to
fulfill temporarily.</p>
<p>With regards the traveling expenses mentioned I don't think they
should be in the PDP. While I believe the RIR should always cover
that given the importance of the role to the RIR community it is
discretionary and up to them to decide that. Furthermore I don't
think having this in the PDP can oblige the RIR to do anyway as
it's a administrative decision.</p>
<p>I agree with section 3.3.2 in regards the minimum time to be able
to participate in the election process. It brings a lot of value
into the process and avoid big issues of non-related people
influencing the process. This part for me is one of the most
important of the proposal.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/11/2019 04:33, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Hi Pascal,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Thanks for your inputs, let me answer below,
in-line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 8/11/19
4:32, "Paschal Ochang" <<a
href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello this is a
great proposal but I have some concerns about some of the
newly adopted procedures.<br>
In section 3.3.1 I don't think it will be right for a chair
who has held the position longest to vacate the position in a
scenario where the cochairs originate from the same country in
extreme scenarios. While we aim to select algorithms to
minimize the possibility of a vacant seat at any point in time
we should also try not to break the wheel of experience here.
A longer serving cochair will be more conversant with the
affairs of the PDWG in most cases so I think vacating his or
her seat won't be ideal. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">While I could agree
here in your view, I think that there must be a balance in
giving opportunity to new people. The text already gives
the opportunity to the chairs to take a decision on that.
Note also, that if the chair that has been longer time in
the position hasn’t exceeded the two consecutive terms, he
still can submit his candidacy for that election, so it is
giving the voice to the community about that. On the other
hand, we may have a longer time in the position chair that
is not performing well (even if it has more experience) so
the community has a way to not vote him again. It is a
difficult balance. I will like to hear from you and others
specific suggestions about this point.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Secondly while
we aim to sanitize the motives for people contesting for
cochair I don't think a little stipend for co-chairs will do
any damage to the election process for me I think a per
sitting allowance or stipend should be adopted if not
already so.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">AFRINIC (I
believe) support the chairs in their traveling expenses
to the meeting and from time to time to other RIR
meetings. Is not that sufficient? Otherwise, what you
will suggest? Should we have that (even for traveling
expenses) in the PDP?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">section 3.3.2
will disenfranchise voters. It's possible a deprived voter
might not be active in the rpd but has been abreast with the
happenings of the community. Therefore are we going to say
we cannot allow that voter to cast his or her vote?. A
deprived voter might be attending a PPM for the first time
and will feel disenfranchised because I believe the
presentation of the candidates is also an incentive to
motivate or give voters an idea of their portfolio which I
think is enough to orientate a newbie attendee if I may use
that phrase . <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Without
elaborating or handling some of this concerns I think this
proposal cannot be accepted as it is.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Note that I’m
asking only for having been in the RPD list for 6
months. I’m not asking for demonstrating “activity”. I
my opinion this will fulfil the case you’re indicating
in your first case.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Regarding a
newcomer participating as voter, I’ve seen in many RIR
meetings, including AFRINIC, a bunch (even hundreds) of
local students, participating for the first time as
guest. 99% of those participants will never participate
again in AFRINIC, RPD, etc. Hundreds of them can vote
for a specific candidate, without knowing at all nothing
about the candidate or the PDP, for example, just
because the candidate is local. Of course, in some cases
that candidate can be a very valid one, however nothing
ensures it and further this is a distortion of the
process and very discriminatory towards the other
candidates. For example, the other candidates can say
“I’ve organized a remote hub so the people can
participate in a remote meeting room” (and get there
hundreds of people that possibly will support that
candidacy). I think those newcomers can perfectly
understand, if they are interested in a continued
AFRINIC participation, shy those rules are done and this
specific point will not, for that, feel uncomfortable or
decide not to continue participating because that, in
the other way around “next time I will be voting”. Is
like when you need to have 18 years to vote. Reason for
that is that you have some degree of “adult thinking,
life experience, public policy understanding, etc.”;
here we are saying your experience to be able to
participate is having been there for a few months.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Note that a
participant in the meeting if really interested in
AFRINIC, has been able to be in the RPD list much more
time ahead the meeting, so nothing forbids him to
actually participate.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Last but not
least, the way that electronic voting is organized is
based on using the RPD list as the electoral census.
NOBODY will vote “on-site”, the election is done BEFORE
the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">As said, happy to
heard inputs on those specific points (and in general in
all the proposal, of course!):<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
lang="EN-US"><br>
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, Fernando Frediani <</span><a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">fhfrediani@gmail.com</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">The text of the proposal is
well written and I believe brings value to the election
process with control mechanisms to ensure neutrality and
balance of the chosen persons.<br>
One important point I highlight is that staff when
implementing this make sure a trustable electronic
system is used to ensure one vote by participant and to
avoid fraud. I guess something about that will be
contained in the impact analysis that will come.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
05/11/2019 11:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">As with the previous ones, I'm attaching our proposal PDF, already submitted, so the community can start commenting in case the publication by AFRINIC is delayed.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks in advance for any inputs!<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Jordi<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></pre>
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