[rpd] timing for impact analysis

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi Arnaud,

 

I don’t agree. Sometimes even a single coma changed, can change the interpretation of the text. Probably not too much, but sufficient for the staff to make a new review of the existing impact analysis to verify what has changed.

 

I agree that *most of the times* this will mean just a very few minutes work, but it all depends on the changes from one proposal version to another. I think is fair to ask the staff for it (as this is already their existing operational practice), but at the same time, let to them to decide if it needs a lot of changes or just minor one, because it will depend on each case.

 

Clearly this helps the people reading any proposal, because they want to make sure that they are reading the impact analysis for that one. Otherwise you ask each PDP participant to double check all the previous versions compare them, and make sure that the considerations on the impact analysis match.

 

As said the PDP explicit that the “chairs may request” but not that it can’t be done if the chairs don’t request it.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 10/7/19 11:43, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com> escribió:

 

Hi Jordi,

 

Sometimes you try to complicate simple and easy things and rather complain that  everything else is complicated. Staff analysis is not needed for every revision of proposal being discussed. The current PDP addresses this by stating the chairs may request. Responsible policy process follows existing PDP diligently 

 

The  series of automatic staff analysis  we have seen even when a simple clarification is made to proposals have not helped the process.

 

Let us stick to what the current PDP says and rely on chairs to make decision on when to request staff analysis and manage the timing.

 

Arnaud.

 

Le mar. 9 juil. 2019 à 10:07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :

Hi Arnaud,

 

Can you exatly show us what existing text in the PDP disallows an internal procedure for the staff to make an impact analysis?

 

Additional explanation from the PDP:

3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal

… The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal. …

 

Can you enlight us about why if the staff decides to have this impact analysis *even* if the chairs don’t ask for it, in an automatic fashion for every policy proposal/version, it can’t be done?

 

Why this is bad for the community (or even the chairs)? Why is a so terrible thing that we should disable the staff the ability to improve their processes?

 

How this is “revoking *any* chairs prerogative”? Can the chairs confirm if they have any trouble which this, or it is a clear improvement on the internal (already existing) staff process?

 

Are we, as a community, trying to improve things in the most agile way, or trying to work against ourselves?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 9/7/19 11:53, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com> escribió:

 

 

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 15:52 Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net> wrote:

On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

> 

> Hi all,

> 

> Since we got the idea from Sylvain to fix the impact analysis timing (he almost convinced me that we need a policy proposal for that).

> 

> So, before sending a formal policy proposal, I've exchanged emails with the staff about that, and we discussed that being an operational issue, it may be not necessary to have a policy proposal, but instead an operational process update.

> 

> Note that I'm sending this to the list, as agreed with the staff, in order to ensure that we make it transparent for the community, as this is clearly a benefit for all:

> 

> My proposal to the staff:

> 

> Could you amend your actual procedure for the impact analysis in such way that state something in the line of "the staff will provide the impact analysis for new policy proposals in 4 weeks. For new versions of existing policy proposals, which already have an impact analysis, we will aim for providing it in a maximum of 2 weeks. In some cases, it may take longer, however, we will aim to have the full impact analysis or at least some draft of it, 10 days before each policy meeting."

> 

> I think Ernest want to suggest a small tweak on that text, but I think it should be ok and we avoid a policy proposal and a long discussion and make a better use of the time for all the participants for more complex problems.


Yes - The suggestion above is reasonable. Let us commit to providing a staff analysis in 4 weeks for a new proposal or a large change, and 2 weeks for a small change to an existing proposal.

 

Are we changing the PDP  through staff ?  Are we imposing staff analysis to each revision of proposal being discussed ?  Are we revoking chairs prerogative to request staff analysis when it is needed?   While  new proposal  seems obvious, who decides what is large change or small change? Is this not the cochairs call?

 

Arnaud

 

 


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