[rpd] timing for impact analysis

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Hi Jordi,

Sometimes you try to complicate simple and easy things and rather complain
that  everything else is complicated. Staff analysis is not needed for
every revision of proposal being discussed. The current PDP addresses this
by stating the chairs may request. Responsible policy process follows
existing PDP diligently

The  series of automatic staff analysis  we have seen even when a simple
clarification is made to proposals have not helped the process.

Let us stick to what the current PDP says and rely on chairs to make
decision on when to request staff analysis and manage the timing.

Arnaud.

Le mar. 9 juil. 2019 à 10:07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
a écrit :


> Hi Arnaud,

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> Can you exatly show us what existing text in the PDP disallows an internal

> procedure for the staff to make an impact analysis?

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> Additional explanation from the PDP:

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> 3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal

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> … The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis

> (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy

> proposal. …

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>

> Can you enlight us about why if the staff decides to have this impact

> analysis **even** if the chairs don’t ask for it, in an automatic fashion

> for every policy proposal/version, it can’t be done?

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> Why this is bad for the community (or even the chairs)? Why is a so

> terrible thing that we should disable the staff the ability to improve

> their processes?

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> How this is “revoking **any** chairs prerogative”? Can the chairs confirm

> if they have any trouble which this, or it is a clear improvement on the

> internal (already existing) staff process?

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> Are we, as a community, trying to improve things in the most agile way, or

> trying to work against ourselves?

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> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

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> El 9/7/19 11:53, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com> escribió:

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> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 15:52 Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net> wrote:

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> On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Since we got the idea from Sylvain to fix the impact analysis timing (he

> almost convinced me that we need a policy proposal for that).

> >

> > So, before sending a formal policy proposal, I've exchanged emails with

> the staff about that, and we discussed that being an operational issue, it

> may be not necessary to have a policy proposal, but instead an operational

> process update.

> >

> > Note that I'm sending this to the list, as agreed with the staff, in

> order to ensure that we make it transparent for the community, as this is

> clearly a benefit for all:

> >

> > My proposal to the staff:

> >

> > Could you amend your actual procedure for the impact analysis in such

> way that state something in the line of "the staff will provide the impact

> analysis for new policy proposals in 4 weeks. For new versions of existing

> policy proposals, which already have an impact analysis, we will aim for

> providing it in a maximum of 2 weeks. In some cases, it may take longer,

> however, we will aim to have the full impact analysis or at least some

> draft of it, 10 days before each policy meeting."

> >

> > I think Ernest want to suggest a small tweak on that text, but I think

> it should be ok and we avoid a policy proposal and a long discussion and

> make a better use of the time for all the participants for more complex

> problems.

>

> Yes - The suggestion above is reasonable. Let us commit to providing a

> staff analysis in 4 weeks for a new proposal or a large change, and 2 weeks

> for a small change to an existing proposal.

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>

>

> Are we changing the PDP  through staff ?  Are we imposing staff analysis

> to each revision of proposal being discussed ?  Are we revoking chairs

> prerogative to request staff analysis when it is needed?   While  new

> proposal  seems obvious, who decides what is large change or small change?

> Is this not the cochairs call?

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>

> Arnaud

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