[rpd] timing for impact analysis

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi Komi,

I disagree. Here is the main point:

The actual PDP doesn't state anything about impact analysis. It doesn't say that it can't be provided either.

If the staff want to add this important part of work with each policy proposal, this is not against the PDP, or a modification of it. It is a very relevant and important enhancement.

Even it could also be interpreted as an internal staff procedure as part of this section in the actual PDP:
3.4   Policy Development Process
Anyone can submit a proposal. Policy proposals are submitted to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (rpd at afrinic.net) by the author. AFRINIC will provide administrative support and assist the author(s) in drafting the proposal, if requested. AFRINIC shall also provide relevant facts and statistics if requested during the discussion.

Otherwise, what you're saying will mean that the staff has violated the PDP each time they provided an impact analysis.

Moreover, we can't tie policy proposals (until they reach consensus) to procedures. If a policy proposal impacts an existing procedure and should be amended because that, it is just fine, but when the policy proposal reach consensus and becomes implemented, not before.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 9/7/19 11:11, "Komi Elitcha" <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com> escribió:

    Hi Jordi,
    
    > On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:53 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
    > 
    > Hi Komi,
    > 
    > Because the staff has accepted that, as a modification for their existing operational process, then it means this part of the PDP-Bis is not needed (right now).
    
    It is always good for staff operational process to be improved, but We should not change PDP via staff...
    
    > 
    > If we reach at some point, consensus on the PDP-bis, we can include it, but what we tried to avoid is a small policy proposal, just to change that part of the existing PDP/process.
    
    Try to change that part of the existing PDP  and you will see the bigger problem.
    
    Following section 3.4.1 below, proposals can be and have been  submitted and presented at PPM just in the time frame of the  four weeks. This challenges the proposed 4 weeks for staff analysis for new proposal and "large change". Same applies for the 2 weeks for "small change" as proposal can be updated up to one week before PPM according to a section 3.4.2
    
    {
    	3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal 
    
    	 The draft policy shall be available for review for at least four weeks before the next Public Policy 		Meeting. The author(s) shall make the necessary changes to the draft policy according to the feedback received. The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal. 
    
    
    	 3.4.2 Public Policy Meeting 
    
    	The draft policy is placed on the agenda of an open public policy meeting. The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior to the meeting. No change can be made to a draft policy within one week of the meeting. This is so that a stable version of the draft policy can be considered at the meeting.
    
    }
    These reasons plus several others mentionned motivated the PDP-BIS  initiative for a complete  solution.
    
    
    > 
    > I still believe that the PDP-bis is creating such level of complexity, that will play against the increase of the community participation, which is, in my opinion, the main goal for all of us right now.
    
    What will increase participation is a clear and well documented multi steps  PDP led by experienced chairs, who make sure every views are heard in a less aggressive and well moderated  working group, where  cultural and linguistic diversity are promoted, issues and objections  are tracked, addressed and resolved.
    Such PDP will attract participation and produce good policies and  contribute to the education  of the community.
    
    That is what PDP-BIS  is about
    
    
    - Komi
    
    > 
    > Regards,
    > Jordi
    > @jordipalet
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > El 8/7/19 22:09, "Komi Elitcha" <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com> escribió:
    > 
    >    Jordi,
    > 
    >    Current PDP states that chairs  may  request an analysis of the impact on  draft policy proposals being discussed.
    >    Decision to have an analysis is to be made by chairs or through the chairs and is not  mandatory.
    > 
    >    PDP-BIS  addresses the issue by imposing AFRINIC ltd analysis  on proposals which mature and qualify to move to review phase  after passing  respectively  the adoption and the discussion phases.
    > 
    >    So it solves the issue of automatic analysis for each revision of proposals under discussion and the related timeframe 
    > 
    >    - Komi
    > 
    > 
    >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 8:54 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Hi all,
    >> 
    >> Since we got the idea from Sylvain to fix the impact analysis timing (he almost convinced me that we need a policy proposal for that).
    >> 
    >> So, before sending a formal policy proposal, I've exchanged emails with the staff about that, and we discussed that being an operational issue, it may be not necessary to have a policy proposal, but instead an operational process update.
    >> 
    >> Note that I'm sending this to the list, as agreed with the staff, in order to ensure that we make it transparent for the community, as this is clearly a benefit for all:
    >> 
    >> My proposal to the staff:
    >> 
    >> Could you amend your actual procedure for the impact analysis in such way that state something in the line of "the staff will provide the impact analysis for new policy proposals in 4 weeks. For new versions of existing policy proposals, which already have an impact analysis, we will aim for providing it in a maximum of 2 weeks. In some cases, it may take longer, however, we will aim to have the full impact analysis or at least some draft of it, 10 days before each policy meeting."
    >> 
    >> I think Ernest want to suggest a small tweak on that text, but I think it should be ok and we avoid a policy proposal and a long discussion and make a better use of the time for all the participants for more complex problems.
    >> 
    >> Thanks!
    >> 
    >> Regards,
    >> Jordi
    >> @jordipalet
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