[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Lobbying Allegations against W

[John Hay]

Hi Sami,

I don't want this to be a "defend Andrew" session. What I meant was that
email is a limited medium, when you write something you know what you mean,
but it is not necessarily how it will be understood by the reader(s). Added
to that, for a lot of us (myself included), English is not our first
language.

Below inline:

On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 09:01, Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com> wrote:


> John

> Agree on our diversity and background, please ready Andrew message again

> and try to explain the use of "Because – I’m pretty sure there ...... "

>


It can just mean in his opinion and that he is pretty sure of it.



> and  "in fact the ...... " ?!

>


It can be just a way of talking or writing. Even he meant the real facts
about the conversation about Larus and their document etc. What I (my
opinion) gathered was that:
- Some people were happy with how Larus did it.
- Some thought they went about it the wrong way.
- Some thought they should just be more open about it.
- Some thought we should use them to keep a summary of the new proposed
policies that we are discussing

What is interesting is that Mirriam wrote: "*Since Larus Foundation
fellowship program is not popular within the community".* Nobody complained
that she in effect did what you accused Andrew of, speak for the community.

but still i believe in "common sense are not common".

>


True, my daughter have a slight variation: "common sense is not as common
as you would think"

But I think the "problem" on these mailing lists are that when you write
something, it is difficult to know how people will understand it. We almost
need a tool where before sending your email to the list, you can submit it
and then it tell you how the Afrinic community will understand it. That way
you can tweak it until you know the correct message gets across. :-)

Regards

John

BR

>

> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*

> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST

> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN

> President of SDv6TF

> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

> ------------------------------

> *From:* John Hay <john at sanren.ac.za>

> *Sent:* Sunday, July 7, 2019 9:53 AM

> *To:* Sami Salih

> *Cc:* Andrew Alston; mirriamlauren at yahoo.com; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ;

> rpd at afrinic.net

> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Lobbying Allegations against W

>

> Hi Sami and all the others,

>

> It is interesting how different people can read the same paragraph and

> understand it very differently. What I understood when I read Andrew's

> email was more like this:

>

> "Do not make a decision yet Mirriam. The community has not decided yet.

> Just because there were a few vocally against it, does not mean the

> community is against it."

>

> Is it what he really meant? I do not know.

>

> Regards

>

> John

>

>

> On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 08:02, Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com> wrote:

>

> Anderw

>

> While I can't support or oppose what Mirriam says, I didn't like the way

> you put your self as judge onbehave of the community. Pls revise your two

> sentences ("plenty members of this community who are just fine" and "opposition

> has been relatively limited").

> BR

>

> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*

> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST

> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN

> President of SDv6TF

> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>

> *Sent:* Saturday, July 6, 2019 7:06 AM

> *To:* mirriamlauren at yahoo.com; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ; rpd at afrinic.net

> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Lobbying Allegations against W

>

>

> Mirriam,

>

>

>

> I have just one question – why do you feel that you can talk on behalf of

> the community in the way that you are? You state:

>

>

>

> *Since Larus Foundation fellowship program is not popular within the

> community due to the issues raised by members of the community, my

> suggestion and I will repeat again, is that AFRINIC  takes a central role

> with matters related to fellowship. Larus Foundation is better of working

> with AfriNIC, if indeed they mean well for this community. *

>

>

>

> Who is this community you refer to?  Because – I’m pretty sure there are

> plenty members of this community who are just fine with what they have done

> – myself included – and in fact the opposition has been relatively

> limited.  So – is the community suddenly just a few detractors?  Does this

> mean I, and others like  me, are not part of “the community”?  I really get

> a little concerned when I pretty consistently see these grandiose

> statements on behalf of “the community” rather than stating individual

> opinions, or the opinions of a specific sub-set.

>

>

>

> Andrew

>

>

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