<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Sami,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>I don't want this to be a "defend Andrew" session. What I meant was that email is a limited medium, when you write something you know what you mean, but it is not necessarily how it will be understood by the reader(s). Added to that, for a lot of us (myself included), English is not our first language.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Below inline:<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 09:01, Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Agree on our diversity and background, please ready Andrew message again and try to explain the use of "Because – I’m pretty sure there ...... "</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It can just mean in his opinion and that he is pretty sure of it. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> and "in fact the ...... " ?!</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It can be just a way of talking or writing. Even he meant the real facts about the conversation about Larus and their document etc. What I (my opinion) gathered was that:</div><div>- Some people were happy with how Larus did it.</div><div>- Some thought they went about it the wrong way.</div><div>- Some thought they should just be more open about it.</div><div>- Some thought we should use them to keep a summary of the new proposed policies that we are discussing</div><div><br></div><div>What is interesting is that Mirriam wrote: "<i>Since Larus Foundation fellowship program is not popular within the community".</i> Nobody complained that she in effect did what you accused Andrew of, speak for the community.</div><div> <i><br></i></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
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but still i believe in "common sense are not common".</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>True, my daughter have a slight variation: "common sense is not as common as you would think"</div><div><br></div><div>But I think the "problem" on these mailing lists are that when you write something, it is difficult to know how people will understand it. We almost need a tool where before sending your email to the list, you can submit it and then it tell you how the Afrinic community will understand it. That way you can tweak it until you know the correct message gets across. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2019 9:53 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Andrew Alston; <a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ; <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
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<div>It is interesting how different people can read the same paragraph and understand it very differently. What I understood when I read Andrew's email was more like this:</div>
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<div>Is it what he really meant? I do not know.</div>
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<div>While I can't support or oppose what <span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Mirriam says, I didn't like the way you put your self as judge onbehave of the
community. Pls revise your two sentences (</span><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">"plenty members of this community who are just fine" and "</span><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">opposition
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 6, 2019 7:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ;
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<p class="gmail-m_5253630778075079157x_gmail-m_-2460693075459281701x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I have just one question – why do you feel that you can talk on behalf of the community in the way that you are? You state:</span></p>
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opposition has been relatively limited. So – is the community suddenly just a few detractors? Does this mean I, and others like me, are not part of “the community”? I really get a little concerned when I pretty consistently see these grandiose statements
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