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[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now!

Noah noah at
Mon Jul 1 17:17:50 UTC 2019

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:40 PM Lee Howard <lee.howard at> wrote:

> On 6/30/19 5:06 PM, Noah wrote:
> Meanwhile, the below came though by means of IANA and not through IPv$
> broker-based transfer policies.
> 41/8     Apr 2005
> 197/8     Oct 2008
> 105 / 8     Nov 2010
> 102 / 8     Feb 2011
> Wouldn't it be much wiser for AfriNIC to lobby on behalf of its members
> for more space into the continent rather than through a broker based
> mechanism.
> Who would they lobby?
@Lee  I was thinking out loud but my point was that historically, the
address space under AFRINIC's custodianship/database today was transferred
to AFRINIC by IANA and that is the point I was trying to make.

@Owen DeLong <owen at>  I am aware that IANA has nothing therefore
refer to my clarification above.

@Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at> I dont have a time machine
:-) and as such, refer to my clarification above.

> I mean, who do the brokers benefit if not themselves?
> Some brokers are fairer than others.
> When you go to the market, do you expect that the person selling you
> everything you buy made it themselves? No, you expect a broker to find
> someone who has a thing to sell and someone who wants to buy the thing and
> bring them together. A broker can also help make sure that the agreed price
> is paid and that the thing is delivered.
> Do you need a broker? No, if you know someone who has addresses and is
> willing to give them to you, then you are welcome to do that.
 It would be much better if the RIR was left to continue playing this role
fully IMHO but the ship has since sailed and you have brokers who are lured
by profit turning INR into a hot commodity.

INR are meant to support in the building of Internet Infrastructure and IP
related services but they have become a product/service in themselves.

> In Rabat in Morocco in 2008, I stood on the floor during the PPM meeting
> and expressed my distaste for IPv$ because I clearly understood the impact
> that a single IPv4 address can have socioeconomically. Therefore if there
> is knowledge/whispers within the African Internet community about some
> resource members who somehow managed to forge their application for
> membership and ended up getting resources which are being monetized instead
> of being used to build Internet Infrastructure in the continent, then this
> policy proposal becomes even more riskier for Africa to say the least.
> Are there such members? You say that if there is fraud, then this policy
> is risky.
> I wonder if people who committed fraud to obtain addresses would be honest
> enough to keep those addresses inside Africa, because of current policy.
With more time and digging, one will certainly find such members within our
service region. There are past discussions where members of this community
have taken upon themselves to go find out which members have some space
meant for use within Africa, being used outside the continent. This details
were shared on the this mailing llist and they are  in the achieves.

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