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Meanwhile, the below came though by means of IANA and not
through IPv$ broker-based transfer policies. <br>
41/8 Apr 2005 <br>
197/8 Oct 2008<br>
105 / 8 Nov 2010 <br>
102 / 8 Feb 2011 <br>
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<div>Wouldn't it be much wiser for AfriNIC to lobby on behalf
of its members for more space into the continent rather than
through a broker based mechanism. <br>
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<p>Who would they lobby?</p>
<p><br></p></div></blockquote><div> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">@Lee I was thinking out loud but my point was
that historically, the address space under AFRINIC's
custodianship/database today was transferred to AFRINIC by IANA and that
is the point I was trying to make. <br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-plusReplyChip-2" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" tabindex="-1">@Owen DeLong</a> I am aware that IANA has nothing therefore refer to my clarification above.</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-plusReplyChip-3" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" tabindex="-1">@Andrew Alston</a> I dont have a time machine :-) and as such, refer to my clarification above.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>
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<div>I mean, who do the brokers benefit if not themselves? </div>
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<p>Some brokers are fairer than others.</p>
<p>When you go to the market, do you expect that the person selling
you everything you buy made it themselves? No, you expect a broker
to find someone who has a thing to sell and someone who wants to
buy the thing and bring them together. A broker can also help make
sure that the agreed price is paid and that the thing is
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<p>Do you need a broker? No, if you know someone who has addresses
and is willing to give them to you, then you are welcome to do
that. <br>
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<p><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> It would be much better if the RIR was left to continue playing this role fully IMHO but the ship has since sailed and you have brokers who are lured by profit turning INR into a hot commodity. <br></div><div><br></div><div>INR are meant to support in the building of Internet Infrastructure and IP related services but they have become a product/service in themselves.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>
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<div>In Rabat in Morocco in 2008, I stood on the floor during
the PPM meeting and expressed my distaste for IPv$ because I
clearly understood the impact that a single IPv4 address can
have socioeconomically. Therefore if there is
knowledge/whispers within the African Internet community
about some resource members who somehow managed to forge
their application for membership and ended up getting
resources which are being monetized instead of being used to
build Internet Infrastructure in the continent, then this
policy proposal becomes even more riskier for Africa to say
the least. <br>
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<p>Are there such members? You say that if there is fraud, then this
policy is risky.</p>
<p>I wonder if people who committed fraud to obtain addresses would
be honest enough to keep those addresses inside Africa, because of
current policy. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>With more time and digging, one will certainly find such members within our service region. There are past discussions where members of this community have taken upon themselves to go find out which members have some space meant for use within Africa, being used outside the continent. This details were shared on the this mailing llist and they are in the achieves.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Noah<br></div></div></div></div></div>