[rpd] Legacy holders?

[Noah]

Andrew

Routing tables aside :-)

LIR membership 101 requires that one has a business license and another
license from a local communications regulatory authority of the country
where they are requesting space from. Member services team from AfriNIC
always require this before space is allocated/assigned to an entity.

The regulators license is required because part of the AfriNIC bylaws
especially section 6.1 states that usage of INR must be for providing
services in the African region.This is the case so that its easier for
Afrinic to comply with provisions of the bylaws that state that INR are to
used in Africa to support the development of Internet Infrastructure in
Africa and this is one of the objectives of Afrinic as an RIR whose vision
and missions are;

Our Vision
"Be the leading force in growing the internet for Africa's sustainable
development"

Our Mission
"To serve the African Community by providing professional and efficient
management of Internet number technology usage and development, and
promoting Internet self-governance."

Noah

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, 09:39 Andrew Alston, <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

> Ronald,
>
>
>
> The answer to your question can be found in section 5.5 and 5.6 of the CPM
> – which makes no mention whatsoever of where space must be utilized.  It
> does however state that you must be an AFRINIC member to receive space,
> which is where the requirement that organizations should be domiciled in
> Africa comes from.  This is codified in section 6.1.(i) of the bylaws.
>
>
>
> Beyond that – there is no actual policy ever ratified which precludes the
> use of space off continent outside of soft landing – and that requirement
> can be found can be found in the soft landing policy in section 5.4.6.2 of
> the CPM
>
>
>
> During the creation of the soft landing policy – there was actually
> massive debate about that clause – and myself, and others, opposed the
> clause because it’s actually entirely unverifiable – and I’ve never liked
> clauses that impose requirements that cannot be realistically verified.  It
> is virtually impossible to tell where space is actually being utilized
>
>
>
>    1. The BGP tables won’t tell you this – I can have a block of space in
>    Africa that is announced via an African ASN to a non-African player over a
>    layer 2 link
>    2. I can have a block of space in Europe that is announced to an
>    African transit provider in Europe
>    3. Latency tells you nothing – VSAT links are common – and VSAT
>    latency can look very much like long haul latency
>    4. It’s entirely possible for announce an aggregate link in Africa and
>    actually be using all the space out of the continent by sending
>    de-aggregates to selective peers that would be not be publicly visible. In
>    the same way – I could be originating the space from routers in Europe
>    while using IGP de-aggregates to bring it back to the continent and there
>    would be no visibility externally of this.
>
>
>
> That being said – the clause in 5.4.6.2 is also pretty ambiguous – since I
> could easily argue that I could number an entire network in Europe or
> elsewhere without numbering customers – carry transit across that network
> and then back into Africa – and state that the space is solely supporting
> connectivity back to Africa.  In the same way I could number an entire
> branch office off continent and then have that branch office communicating
> back to an African branch – and claim the same thing.  Hence, I’m not
> really convinced that 5.4.6.2 is even really realistically enforceable – it
> is all a matter of perspective.
>
>
>
> Just my thoughts
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
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>
> *From:* Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, 1 July 2019 04:31
> *To:* rpd at afrinic.net
> *Subject:* [rpd] Legacy holders?
>
>
>
> Sorry all. Just two quick rudimentary questions...
>
> 1)
> According to this page:
>
> https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource
>
> "There are currently around 350 legacy resources holders
> registered in the AFRINIC WHOIS database."
>
> Is there a simple list of these organizations anywhere? Or does
> one have go and do tedious data mining on the entire Afrinic
> WHOIS data base in order to just find the names of all of these?
>
> 2)
> Within the WHOIS data base what will be the org-type: value
> for any one of the legacy organizations?
>
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