[rpd] impact analysis for policies

Thu Jun 20 22:38:08 UTC 2019

Hi Sylvain,

Responding below, in-line.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 20/6/19 22:31, "Sylvain BAYA" <abscoco at gmail.com> escribió:

Hi all, 

I agree with the concern raised by Jordi below.

We must try to fix it together.

It sound like a policy issue :-/

...other comments, inline, below please.

Le jeudi 20 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :

Hi,

I will like to ask the staff to complete *ASAP* their impact analysis in the policy proposal 

Jordi, even if it's desirable, to have such an impact analysis at time, you can not (policily speaking) ask for it this way (contact the staff privately or propose a suitable process with a reasonable timing ?) :-)

You probably missed this before, but we already discussed in the list the need to have on-time an impact analysis for all the policies. It is part of the process (no something new that I’m trying to impose). I may agree that if a proposal has been submitted only 10 days before the meeting, it may be difficult to make it in time, but not for a “new” version of an existing proposal, which already had the analysis impact.

And of course, I’ve asked the staff several times for it, during the last weeks. Co-chairs were copied.

Precisely, most of the newer versions, at least in the case of my proposals, where to address the points raised in the impact analysis. So, it should be easy to get the previous impact analysis, compare the differences of the old and new versions of the policy proposal, against the impact analysis, and raise if something is missing.

Believe me, in most of the proposals, this is a matter of few hours of dedication. My only concern is if staff is overbooked, which is something that should be evaluated by the organization (not authors). I agree that *one* of my proposals, sent 1 months in advance to the meeting, may require “more than a month” to do the analysis impact, but not all the other ones.

If publicly, i think you should ask it to the new Co-chairs (Moses & Abdulkarim), with the appropriate Policy provision for them to act kickly accordingly. 

Poor Moses and Abdulkarim, you want me to stress them the first day? Just joking. I’m pretty sure I have briefly talked about this with at least one of them.

Note that I’ve sent the email to the list as suggested by some talks with community folks. Is not to blame anyone from the staff, is to make sure that we avoid repeating it in the future.

Hope you will not have to realise such an impact analysis by yourself as suggested by some participants ; if i recall well :'-(

Don’t recall that comment, unless you refer to those that asked me to have the numbers, which is something I can’t have, is the staff to provide. I’ve actually asked for that for my presentation, but didn’t got a response. Just used to it.

Of course, if I can help doing the impact analysis, I’m always happy. However, I think it is much more coherent that is done by staff, as probably will be more objective and they can discover issues that I can read my own text 100 times and not see them. This is the normal process:
Authors submit the proposal
Proposal is published (sometimes it takes too long) and discussion starts
Staff do the impact analysis
Staff and authors review impact analysis in case something was misunderstood, etc., for example this may happen when English is not your native language and you try to write something in a way that staff can’t read the same way you do and it may be so broken that it changes key aspects of the proposal
Staff publish impact analysis
At some point, authors looking at list discussion and impact analysis, submit a new version, so we are back at the start point.

that didn't reached consensus, so the authors can publish new versions immediately and have more time to discuss before the next meeting.

I've submitted some proposals that are new version of existing ones some of them even 2 months before the meeting, and the impact analysis has not been updated.

I think this is actually an extreme delay for such impact analysis update, and this doesn't help the authors to correct mistakes and consequently makes more difficult for the community to take a decision.

...this seems to prove a need for a new version of the PDP (Policy Development Process) :-/

A candidate rule to update ?

There is a process already for that, simply is not being followed timely.

The impact for this is really big. Right now, we have 8 policy proposals that didn't reached consensus and only considering new proposal that I've in mind to submit (5), it means that for the next meeting we will have *at least* 13 policy proposals in the table.

...other might also propose drafts for new policy proposals :'-(

I hope so, more people contributing, and yes, that’s why I said “at least” :-)

:-) but please withdraw one of your two similar policy proposals about out of AFRINIC region resource (IPv4) transfers. That action could diminish the number of policy proposals ;-)

Remember that I presented them jointly, with the same time for two proposals, that for a single one, so actually that’s not taking time.  Anyway, if we can have a “clear” decision in the list from now to the next meeting, I’m happy to withdraw one of them, but this is only going to work if we have 200 voices in the list supporting one of those. Otherwise, I can withdraw the wrong one and then in the meeting, the participants decision withdraws the other one, so we have nothing. You see the point?

Friendly,

--sb.

So either we have a "2 days" policy day, or we find the way for every participant to read in advance all the policies and provide inputs, or it is impossible to be able to really have a presentation that is making sense for the people to determine their opinion in each policy proposal.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet

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