[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now!

Thu Jun 20 05:57:18 UTC 2019

Hi Jordi, 
Is it possible to put in place in policy only if the number of resources exceeds the resources coming out of such a percent. 
The real concerns as Ish mention it if the region loses its IPV4 resources because of this policy even in a year after application. 
Since the IPV4 is already in phase depletion. 

In my opinion, Your have to balance the transfer 

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De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net> 
À: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net> 
Envoyé: Mercredi 19 Juin 2019 20:56:42 
Objet: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now! 

Hi Binta, 

The concept of temporary policies exist precisely to cope with this situations. So it doesn’t mean that it will “jump” over the rought consensus. 

The community still will need to agree on the consensus on the policy * as a temporary one *. Which means that consensus is achieved if we agree on that. 

Regards, 

Jordi 

@jordipalet 

El 19/6/19 20:38, "Binta lesauveur" < [ mailto:lesauveurb at gmail.com | lesauveurb at gmail.com ] > escribió: 

if we have to make a policy "temporary" to see if it will break anything, then it has not addressed the (valid) concerns of the community. 

we either have rough consensus and majority of concerns addressed or we don't. 

based on this principle, i oppose the policy moving forward until concerns have been addressed accordingly 

Le mer. 19 juin 2019, à 17 h 21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD < [ mailto:rpd at afrinic.net | rpd at afrinic.net ] > a écrit : 

Hi Mike, all, 

Yes, in fact, I talked to Ish this morning during a break, after seen his email. 

One possibility I see is that bylaws (I will recheck it), allow the board to *suspend* or *cancel* a policy if is working against the region. 

So if this is correct, we don't need to change anything in the text. However, I'm still happy if we need to have some text to make it more explicit. 

For example: 
1) Making the policy temporary (1 year for example) and after that time, re-evaluate the situation and if agreed move the policy to permanent. This requires one more PDP cycle at that time, and it should be coordinated, so there is not a "stop period". 

2) Adding specific text to the policy to explicitly allow the board to suspend it, in case (for example), the out-going resources exceeds the incomming ones in a % (do be agreed). 

3) Any other ideas? 

I'm happy to post a new version in 1-2 weeks if there is sufficient feedback to this email. 

So, please, let's move on! 

Regards, 
Jordi 
@jordipalet 

El 19/6/19 17:13, "Mike Silber" < [ mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com | silber.mike at gmail.com ] > escribió: 

I support the proposal and would prefer not to have any restrictions. 

However Ish makes a good point to try address the concerns - provide an initial evaluation period with a limit on outflows and see what happens. 

Hopefully there will be no incongruity, the concerns of those speaking against the policy will be assuaged and we can move on. 

Right now many people have historical evidence in totally unrelated areas of external parties extracting resources from Africa and they want to avoid a repeat. It is difficult to speak against historical occurrences - even if they are unlikely to occur here. 

I believe the concerns of those people can be adequately addressed in a “trial period” and if it turns out that they are correct - then we have not lost too many resources and the policy can be rolled-back. 

Mike 

> On 19 Jun 2019, at 08:28, Ish Sookun < [ mailto:ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu | ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu ] > wrote: 
> 
> Hi Jordi, 
> 
> I am not in support neither against these proposals but I'd rather make 
> a remark. 
> 
> A strong opposition was observed against Inter-RIR transfers during 
> policy discussions in Hammamet. A major concern expressed was that we 
> might end up having resources moving in one direction only; i.e leaving 
> the region only. 
> 
> There were suggestions to introduce a check/control by setting a maximum 
> limit on transfers. I do not see that those suggestions or other similar 
> ones having been considered. Therefore, what has changed in the policy 
> proposal now? The proposal if implemented as it is might be abused, thus 
> leaving the region losing its IPv4 resources. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Ish Sookun 
> 
> On 6/15/19 1:23 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote: 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers. 
>> 
>> [ https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1 | https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1 ] 
>> 
>> and 
>> 
>> [ https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1 | https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1 ] 
>> 
>> I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely ( [ https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely | https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely ] ), so we can resolve any doubts on the spot. 
>> 
>> This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not allowing those transfers. 
>> 
>> AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region, and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment. 
>> 
>> The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent transfers process. 
>> 
>> So, what is your opinion? 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Jordi 
>> @jordipalet 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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