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[rpd] IPV4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfer
John Ngwoke
john.ngwoke at unn.edu.ng
Tue Jun 18 19:31:28 UTC 2019
Dear Ezekiel,
I strongly disagree with your view.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 10:51, 94cm4n . <ezekielj20 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be
> left dormant without use.
>
You have given a wrong reason while the Africans V4 is still remaining. One
of it is that Africa is a developing country. So the need for those unused
V4 is growing as Africa keeps developing.
> Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy and it will do us
> good as a community to have this policy approved before we all leave Uganda.
>
Have you checked IPv4 status of those RIR you are referring to. They have
almost or completely run out of IPv4 and then implement a policy that will
allow them get to other RIR's IPv4 like ours.
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
> Lets ask our self what we (Africa) stand to gain if we venture into this
policy.
> Jehovahseun Ezekiel ADEKANMI
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:46 PM 94cm4n ., <ezekielj20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be
>> left dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this
>> policy and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved
>> before we all leave Uganda.
>> Thanks for your understanding.
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:37 PM , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
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>>> 1. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer (Frank Habicht)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:04 +0300
>>> From: Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>
>>> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>>> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
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>>> I agree and support this policy.
>>>
>>> Frank Habicht
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:
>>> > Dear all,?
>>> > Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to
>>> > repeat them.?
>>> > Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.
>>> > I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved
>>> > here in Uganda.
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:49 <rpd-request at afrinic.net
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>>> > Today's Topics:
>>> >
>>> > ? ?1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
>>> > ? ? ? this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
>>> > ? ?2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi
>>> chuku)
>>> > ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)
>>> > ? ?4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
>>> > ? ? ? (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)
>>> > From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
>>> > <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
>>> > To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
>>> > <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
>>> > Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals -
>>> AFRINIC
>>> > ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > ? ? ? ?
>>> > <2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg
>>> > <mailto:
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>>> >
>>> > Hi Jordi,
>>> > I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?
>>> > The article =>
>>> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal
>>> > ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are
>>> > currently insufficient for AFRINIC.
>>> > Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR
>>> > because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to
>>> > other RIRs.
>>> >
>>> > I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's
>>> > resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere
>>> ....
>>> >
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>>> > De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>>> > ?: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>>> > Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23
>>> > Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
>>> > needs this policy now!
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
>>> > Inter-RIR transfers.
>>> >
>>> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
>>> >
>>> > I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
>>> > you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely
>>> > (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we
>>> > can resolve any doubts on the spot.
>>> >
>>> > This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
>>> > allowing those transfers.
>>> >
>>> > AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
>>> > exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to
>>> > obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this
>>> > will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,
>>> > and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
>>> >
>>> > The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
>>> > requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the
>>> > systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent
>>> > transfers process.
>>> >
>>> > So, what is your opinion?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Jordi
>>> > @jordipalet
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
>>> > From: aleruchi chuku <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com
>>> > <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
>>> > To: "pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>"
>>> > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>,? ishola
>>> kabir
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>>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
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>>> > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
>>> nothing
>>> > to transfere....would there?
>>> > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
>>> > "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
>>> > able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
>>> > from them.
>>> > Aleruchi
>>> >
>>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>> > ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal
>>> > ANDRIANISA<pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
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>>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400
>>> > From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:
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>>> > To: "aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>"
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>>> > Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
>>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>, ishola kabir
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>>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
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>>> >
>>> > That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live
>>> another
>>> > day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with
>>> > others is the way through
>>> >
>>> > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <
>>> rpd at afrinic.net
>>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
>>> > nothing to transfere....would there?
>>> > >
>>> > > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
>>> > "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
>>> > able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
>>> > from them.
>>> > >
>>> > > Aleruchi
>>> > >
>>> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>> > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA
>>> > > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
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>>> > Message: 4
>>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100
>>> > From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng
>>> > <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>>> > To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> > Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net
>>> >>
>>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > ? ? ? ?
>>> > <CAEsR0rUKoKOH=ku-qHHo7ShWymOHzX_dE4r80DF=
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>>> > I agree with you perfectly.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept
>>> in the
>>> > > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no
>>> issue
>>> > but our
>>> > > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the
>>> RIRs and
>>> > > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and
>>> sustainability
>>> > >
>>> > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <
>>> > > elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Dear All,
>>> > > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not
>>> > understand why
>>> > > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be
>>> > utilized.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>>> > <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>> > >
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>>> > >> Today's Topics:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)
>>> > >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal
>>> > ANDRIANISA)
>>> > >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark
>>> Elkins)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
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>>> > >>
>>> > >> Message: 1
>>> > >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300
>>> > >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>>> > >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net
>>> > <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
>>> > >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <nomcom2019 at afrinic.net
>>> > <mailto:nomcom2019 at afrinic.net>>, rpd at afrinic.net
>>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
>>> > >> Message-ID: <F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com
>>> > <mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com>>
>>> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only
>>> > appropriate way
>>> > >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the
>>> > committee to
>>> > >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the
>>> PDP
>>> > and have
>>> > >> the community come to consensus on them.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in
>>> violation
>>> > of the
>>> > >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the
>>> > recommendations on that
>>> > >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process
>>> and
>>> > therefore
>>> > >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Owen
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga
>>> > <ernest at afrinic.net <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Owen,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced
>>> by an
>>> > >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and
>>> > shared with
>>> > >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the
>>> > original copy,
>>> > >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement
>>> > that those
>>> > >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this
>>> requirement
>>> > >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was
>>> > presumably an
>>> > >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback
>>> > consequent
>>> > >> to the call for comments.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this
>>> > >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not
>>> > provided for
>>> > >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards
>>> > improving
>>> > >> the current election processes.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Ernest.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
>>> > <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be
>>> > the CPM
>>> > >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are
>>> outlined
>>> > in CPM
>>> > >> section 3 and that where the following page:
>>> > >> >>? ?
>>> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM
>>> should be
>>> > >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not
>>> > valid.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question
>>> about
>>> > >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without
>>> > community
>>> > >> involvement or consensus.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more
>>> specific)
>>> > >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the
>>> > board, or
>>> > >> whoever else produced that page.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that
>>> > one must
>>> > >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for
>>> PDWG
>>> > >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those
>>> outside
>>> > of the
>>> > >> region as well as those within the region and there are a
>>> significant
>>> > >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the
>>> > region,
>>> > >> myself included.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
>>> > >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal
>>> > election, so
>>> > >> that leaves an open question.
>>> > >> >> However,
>>> > https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>>> > >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must
>>> > have a
>>> > >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort
>>> > out the
>>> > >> irregularities with badge printing).
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for
>>> this
>>> > >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Thanks,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Owen
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <
>>> dewole at forum.org.ng
>>> > <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
>>> > conduct of
>>> > >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election
>>> > process somehow
>>> > >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify
>>> how
>>> > we came
>>> > >> about the detailed election notes outlined at
>>> > >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
>>> > This is
>>> > >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via
>>> the PDP.
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
>>> > retaining
>>> > >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
>>> > after the
>>> > >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
>>> group
>>> > >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)
>>> > the option
>>> > >> of rejecting the default seat retention.
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
>>> NomCom
>>> > >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
>>> > Committee
>>> > >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> Regards,
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> Dewole.
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>>> > >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
>>> > qualify to
>>> > >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we
>>> not
>>> > trying to
>>> > >> define new rules here.
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
>>> > should be
>>> > >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing
>>> anyone
>>> > giving
>>> > >> any special consideration.
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
>>> > >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of
>>> the
>>> > PWDG. So
>>> > >> let us not disadvantage anyone.
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and
>>> > >> maintaining that going forward will be important.
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>> Simply,
>>> > >> >>>> Danile
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao
>>> > <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda
>>> I
>>> > shared
>>> > >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of
>>> > the policy
>>> > >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day.
>>> Holding the
>>> > >> election before the open mic will allow working group members
>>> > also provide
>>> > >> feedback on the process during the open mic.
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> The contents of
>>> > >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
>>> remain
>>> > >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should
>>> > wait for
>>> > >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are
>>> > (before we
>>> > >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions
>>> > could be
>>> > >> included as part of the information to provide during the
>>> nominations
>>> > >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the
>>> > candidates
>>> > >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has
>>> > a plan
>>> > >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect
>>> to
>>> > >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> Regards,
>>> > >> >>>>> Dewole.
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>> > >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important
>>> to
>>> > keep
>>> > >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be
>>> > good to
>>> > >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so
>>> even
>>> > if the
>>> > >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
>>> > discussion time
>>> > >> is respected.
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
>>> > year, or
>>> > >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
>>> > >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
>>> > knowledge
>>> > >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about
>>> > electing
>>> > >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that
>>> > better knows
>>> > >> the PDP and has already been following it.
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates,
>>> since
>>> > when
>>> > >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have
>>> contributed
>>> > in the
>>> > >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy
>>> > proposals. How
>>> > >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
>>> > >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have
>>> actively
>>> > >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals,
>>> so
>>> > we can
>>> > >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same
>>> policy
>>> > proposal.
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
>>> > >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019,
>>> I
>>> > don't
>>> > >> think all the candidates have that information right now.
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
>>> verified
>>> > >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
>>> > candidate and
>>> > >> publish it together with the CVs ?
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>> Regards,
>>> > >> >>>>>> Jordi
>>> > >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
>>> > <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribi?:
>>> > >> >>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
>>> the
>>> > >> Nomination
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
>>> > final
>>> > >> slate of
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also
>>> > state how
>>> > >> the seats would
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
>>> > have been
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
>>> > sort them
>>> > >> out now
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
>>> > hands to
>>> > >> see if the
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his
>>> seat. If
>>> > >> majority in
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
>>> > election is
>>> > >> for one
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates
>>> has the
>>> > >> maximum votes.
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in
>>> favour of
>>> > >> current co-chair
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
>>> > can be
>>> > >> for 2 seats
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
>>> > longer
>>> > >> term.
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,
>>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.
>>> > >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
>>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,
>>> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
>>> > >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
>>> > persons
>>> > >> who
>>> > >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination
>>> Committee
>>> > Chair
>>> > >> contacted
>>> > >> >>>>>>>> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
>>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>>> Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,
>>> > nominees
>>> > >> that
>>> > >> >>>>>>> complained or only nominees that remained after the
>>> > NomCom filter.
>>> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>>> The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
>>> > requires more
>>> > >> >>>>>>> clarity IMHO.
>>> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>>> Regards,
>>> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>>>> Ish Sookun
>>> > >> >>>>>>>
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>>> > >> Message: 2
>>> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)
>>> > >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
>>> > <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
>>> > >> To: ishola kabir <isholakabir at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>>> > >> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>>> > >> Message-ID:
>>> > >>? ? ? ?
>>> > ?<1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edumg
>>> > <mailto:
>>> 1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
>>> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Dear Ishola Kabir,
>>> > >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for
>>> > the simple
>>> > >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regard,
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
>>> > >> Webmaster i RENALA
>>> > >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A
>>> > ctivities
>>> > >> - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ]
>>> > >> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
>>> Recherche
>>> > >> Scientifique - Fiadanana
>>> > >> GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> De: "ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>>> > >> ?: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>> > >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
>>> > >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
>>> legacy
>>> > >> resources transfer.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
>>> > Registries
>>> > >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well.
>>> IPv4
>>> > inter-RIR
>>> > >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a
>>> realistic
>>> > solution
>>> > >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused
>>> IPV4
>>> > >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The
>>> > transfer
>>> > >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow
>>> > resources
>>> > >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it
>>> > is needed.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
>>> > push the
>>> > >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
>>> resources
>>> > into
>>> > >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources
>>> will do
>>> > >> everything within their power for continued possession of this
>>> > resources
>>> > >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an
>>> acquisition.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
>>> > release
>>> > >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
>>> > another region
>>> > >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and
>>> > regulation of
>>> > >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without
>>> > >> authorization.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
>>> > very small
>>> > >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
>>> reinforce
>>> > >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries
>>> > in global
>>> > >> internet governance.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
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>>> > >> Message: 3
>>> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200
>>> > >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>
>>> > >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>>> > >> Message-ID: <e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za
>>> > <mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za>>
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>>> > >>
>>> > >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish
>>> billion IP
>>> > >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's
>>> have
>>> > >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them
>>> to
>>> > adopt
>>> > >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT
>>> have run
>>> > >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years
>>> technology as
>>> > >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed
>>> > down by
>>> > >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be
>>> > bidirectional so
>>> > >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4
>>> resources into
>>> > >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of
>>> the
>>> > >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another
>>> region then
>>> > >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business
>>> -
>>> > >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to
>>> that
>>> > >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old
>>> > technology onto
>>> > >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:
>>> > >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not
>>> > benefit
>>> > >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not
>>> > enough
>>> > >> > for its region. Regard,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA
>>> > >> > Webmaster i RENALA
>>> > >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and
>>> *L*earning
>>> > >> > *A*ctivities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
>>> > >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
>>> > Recherche
>>> > >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_
>>> > >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>>> > >> > *?: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>> > >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
>>> > >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
>>> legacy
>>> > >> > resources transfer.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
>>> > >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4
>>> resources as
>>> > >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other
>>> regions
>>> > will
>>> > >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the
>>> > >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating
>>> them to
>>> > >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to
>>> the
>>> > need
>>> > >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in
>>> one
>>> > >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would
>>> only push
>>> > >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
>>> > resources
>>> > >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused
>>> resources
>>> > >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession
>>> > of this
>>> > >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value
>>> in an
>>> > >> > acquisition.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing
>>> to
>>> > >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling
>>> them to
>>> > >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping
>>> > >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead
>>> of
>>> > being
>>> > >> > hijacked or use without authorization.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
>>> very
>>> > >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
>>> > >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address
>>> > >> > Registries in global internet governance.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
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