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[rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
Frank Habicht
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Tue Jun 18 09:37:04 UTC 2019
I agree and support this policy.
Frank Habicht
On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:
> Dear all,
> Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to
> repeat them.
> Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.
> I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved
> here in Uganda.
> Thanks
>
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> 1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
> this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
> 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi chuku)
> 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)
> 4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
> (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)
> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
> <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
> needs this policy now!
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> Hi Jordi,
> I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.
> The article =>
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal
> I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are
> currently insufficient for AFRINIC.
> Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR
> because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to
> other RIRs.
>
> I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's
> resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere ....
>
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> De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> ?: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23
> Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
> needs this policy now!
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
> Inter-RIR transfers.
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
>
> and
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
>
> I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
> you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely
> (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we
> can resolve any doubts on the spot.
>
> This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
> allowing those transfers.
>
> AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
> exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to
> obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this
> will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,
> and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
>
> The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
> requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the
> systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent
> transfers process.
>
> So, what is your opinion?
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: aleruchi chuku <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com
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> To: "pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>"
> <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>, ishola kabir
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
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> If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing
> to transfere....would there?
> But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
> "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
> able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
> from them.
> Aleruchi
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400
> From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
> To: "aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>"
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> That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another
> day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with
> others is the way through
>
> > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> >
> > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
> nothing to transfere....would there?
> >
> > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
> "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
> able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
> from them.
> >
> > Aleruchi
> >
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> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA
> > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
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> From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng
> <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>>
> To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
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> I agree with you perfectly.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
> <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept in the
> > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue
> but our
> > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs and
> > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and sustainability
> >
> > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <
> > elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not
> understand why
> > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be
> utilized.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> >
> >> Send RPD mailing list submissions to
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> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)
> >> 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal
> ANDRIANISA)
> >> 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300
> >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net
> <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
> >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <nomcom2019 at afrinic.net
> <mailto:nomcom2019 at afrinic.net>>, rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
> >> Message-ID: <F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com
> <mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com>>
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> >>
> >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only
> appropriate way
> >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the
> committee to
> >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP
> and have
> >> the community come to consensus on them.
> >>
> >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation
> of the
> >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the
> recommendations on that
> >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and
> therefore
> >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.
> >>
> >> Owen
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga
> <ernest at afrinic.net <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Owen,
> >> >
> >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced by an
> >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and
> shared with
> >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
> >> >
> >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
> >> >
> >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the
> original copy,
> >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement
> that those
> >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
> >> >
> >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this requirement
> >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was
> presumably an
> >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback
> consequent
> >> to the call for comments.
> >> >
> >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this
> >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.
> >> >
> >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not
> provided for
> >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
> >> >
> >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards
> improving
> >> the current election processes.
> >> >
> >> > Ernest.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
> >> >>
> >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be
> the CPM
> >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined
> in CPM
> >> section 3 and that where the following page:
> >> >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> >> >>
> >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should be
> >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not
> valid.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question about
> >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without
> community
> >> involvement or consensus.
> >> >>
> >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more specific)
> >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
> >> >>
> >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the
> board, or
> >> whoever else produced that page.
> >> >>
> >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that
> one must
> >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG
> >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside
> of the
> >> region as well as those within the region and there are a significant
> >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the
> region,
> >> myself included.
> >> >>
> >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
> >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
> >> >>
> >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal
> election, so
> >> that leaves an open question.
> >> >> However,
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must
> have a
> >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort
> out the
> >> irregularities with badge printing).
> >> >>
> >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this
> >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Owen
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
> <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
> conduct of
> >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election
> process somehow
> >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how
> we came
> >> about the detailed election notes outlined at
> >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
> This is
> >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the PDP.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
> retaining
> >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
> after the
> >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working group
> >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)
> the option
> >> of rejecting the default seat retention.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the NomCom
> >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
> Committee
> >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dewole.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
> >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
> qualify to
> >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not
> trying to
> >> define new rules here.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
> should be
> >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone
> giving
> >> any special consideration.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
> >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
> PWDG. So
> >> let us not disadvantage anyone.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to a fair process and
> >> maintaining that going forward will be important.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Simply,
> >> >>>> Danile
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao
> <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
> shared
> >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of
> the policy
> >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the
> >> election before the open mic will allow working group members
> also provide
> >> feedback on the process during the open mic.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The contents of
> >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019 remain
> >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should
> wait for
> >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are
> (before we
> >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions
> could be
> >> included as part of the information to provide during the nominations
> >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the
> candidates
> >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has
> a plan
> >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to
> >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>> Dewole.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
> keep
> >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be
> good to
> >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
> if the
> >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
> discussion time
> >> is respected.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
> year, or
> >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
> >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
> knowledge
> >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about
> electing
> >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that
> better knows
> >> the PDP and has already been following it.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
> when
> >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed
> in the
> >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy
> proposals. How
> >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
> >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have actively
> >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so
> we can
> >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy
> proposal.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
> >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I
> don't
> >> think all the candidates have that information right now.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified
> >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
> candidate and
> >> publish it together with the CVs ?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>> Jordi
> >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
> <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribi?:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the
> >> Nomination
> >> >>>>>> Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
> final
> >> slate of
> >> >>>>>> candidates after their considerations have been done.
> >> >>>>>> Elections Committee should at this point also
> state how
> >> the seats would
> >> >>>>>> be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
> have been
> >> >>>>>> suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
> sort them
> >> out now
> >> >>>>>> rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
> >> >>>>>> My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
> >> >>>>>> Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
> hands to
> >> see if the
> >> >>>>>> working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If
> >> majority in
> >> >>>>>> support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
> election is
> >> for one
> >> >>>>>> seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the
> >> maximum votes.
> >> >>>>>> If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of
> >> current co-chair
> >> >>>>>> taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
> can be
> >> for 2 seats
> >> >>>>>> possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
> longer
> >> term.
> >> >>>>>> Again, this is just my point of view.
> >> >>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>> Dewole.
> >> >>>>>>> On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
> persons
> >> who
> >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation. The Nomination Committee
> Chair
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> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)
> >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> >> To: ishola kabir <isholakabir at gmail.com
> <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> <1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edumg
> <mailto:1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
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> >> Dear Ishola Kabir,
> >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for
> the simple
> >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.
> >>
> >> Regard,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> >> Webmaster i RENALA
> >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A
> ctivities
> >> - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ]
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> >> Scientifique - Fiadanana
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> >>
> >> De: "ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
> <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >> ?: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
> >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy
> >> resources transfer.
> >>
> >>
> >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
> Registries
> >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well. IPv4
> inter-RIR
> >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic
> solution
> >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused IPV4
> >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The
> transfer
> >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow
> resources
> >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it
> is needed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
> push the
> >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources
> into
> >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources will do
> >> everything within their power for continued possession of this
> resources
> >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an acquisition.
> >>
> >>
> >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
> release
> >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
> another region
> >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and
> regulation of
> >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without
> >> authorization.
> >>
> >>
> >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
> very small
> >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also reinforce
> >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries
> in global
> >> internet governance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200
> >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>
> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >> Message-ID: <e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za
> <mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za>>
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> >>
> >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion IP
> >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's have
> >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to
> adopt
> >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT have run
> >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology as
> >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed
> down by
> >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.
> >>
> >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be
> bidirectional so
> >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources into
> >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of the
> >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.
> >>
> >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region then
> >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -
> >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to that
> >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.
> >>
> >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old
> technology onto
> >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.
> >>
> >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:
> >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not
> benefit
> >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not
> enough
> >> > for its region. Regard,
> >> >
> >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> >> > Webmaster i RENALA
> >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and *L*earning
> >> > *A*ctivities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
> Recherche
> >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_
> >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
> <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >> > *?: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
> >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy
> >> > resources transfer.
> >> >
> >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
> >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as
> >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions
> will
> >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the
> >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating them to
> >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the
> need
> >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in one
> >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.
> >> >
> >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only push
> >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
> resources
> >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused resources
> >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession
> of this
> >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in an
> >> > acquisition.
> >> >
> >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
> >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
> >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping
> >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of
> being
> >> > hijacked or use without authorization.
> >> >
> >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be very
> >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
> >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address
> >> > Registries in global internet governance.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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