[rpd] Fwd: [arin-ppml] Micfo

[Noah]

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:46 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

> Hi Noah,
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> El 16/5/19 10:36, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:
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> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:16 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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> I said “new” policy. This was written long time ago, not doing random
> audits. The overall goal is to review when there is a reason to believe
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> Yes you said new policy hence my question to you Jordi, considering the
> fact you are an active policy proposer of various new policy which stem
> from issues you seem to always identify and see the need to fix.
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> Not sure what is the question, but let me express this:
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> In general, I would only propose a policy if there is something really
> “wrong” or “broken” in existing policies or legal documents. In all the
> RIRs there is a lack of participation from the community, having more
> policies will not help (on the other way around). So, if a policy is not
> really needed, I will prefer not to submit it.
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> I don’t think this is not fixed already in AFRINIC, that’s why I think
> this proposal is not needed.
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On the other hand, the policy authors and supporters of the proposal think
otherwise.

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> All the RIRs can actually do that, even if there is not a policy.
> Membership agreement, service agreement, and sometimes other policies,
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> Looks like only ARIN is willing too....maybe other RIR can pick some
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> All the RIRs do that. However, I don’t think they publicly will provide
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Wouldn't it be better to be transparent with such cases like in the case of
ARIN.


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> Maybe we can ask AFRINIC staff, without disclosing confidential info, how
> many recovery cases have been investigated in the last few years.
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What I know is AfriNIC does publish only recovery records of member
closures as per below link.

https://afrinic.net/stats/closures

So maybe we should indeed request AfriNIC to inform if there has ever been
any other recoveries beyond closure.


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> The point is how much power and cost this policy brings.
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> There has been ongoing discussions among the working group to continue
> improving the said policy.
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> And that’s the problem, the policy is discussing about a level of problem
> that is very expensive for both AFRINIC and the community, without a real
> reason for it.
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The issue of the process being expensive can be left to AfriNIC to
determine imho.
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