[rpd] Fwd: [arin-ppml] Micfo

Thu May 16 08:46:02 UTC 2019

Hi Noah,

El 16/5/19 10:36, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:16 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

I said “new” policy. This was written long time ago, not doing random audits. The overall goal is to review when there is a reason to believe that something is wrong.

Yes you said new policy hence my question to you Jordi, considering the fact you are an active policy proposer of various new policy which stem from issues you seem to always identify and see the need to fix.

Not sure what is the question, but let me express this:

In general, I would only propose a policy if there is something really “wrong” or “broken” in existing policies or legal documents. In all the RIRs there is a lack of participation from the community, having more policies will not help (on the other way around). So, if a policy is not really needed, I will prefer not to submit it.

I don’t think this is not fixed already in AFRINIC, that’s why I think this proposal is not needed.

All the RIRs can actually do that, even if there is not a policy. Membership agreement, service agreement, and sometimes other policies, already detail it. 

Looks like only ARIN is willing too....maybe other RIR can pick some lessons.

All the RIRs do that. However, I don’t think they publicly will provide all the information of each case.

Maybe we can ask AFRINIC staff, without disclosing confidential info, how many recovery cases have been investigated in the last few years.

The point is how much power and cost this policy brings.

There has been ongoing discussions among the working group to continue improving the said policy.

And that’s the problem, the policy is discussing about a level of problem that is very expensive for both AFRINIC and the community, without a real reason for it.

Regards,

Jordi

El 16/5/19 9:54, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 10:14 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

And for that, a new policy was not needed.

Ok, lets just "assume" that you don't need policy to address fraud. Then what is the purpose of section 12 of the ARIN (Number Resource Policy Manual) [1] ?  

Ooooh and If a member agreement is sufficient, then why is fraud addressed in ARIN number resource policy?

And lastly, If I may ask, how would you compare the AfriNIC RSA against the ARIN RSA?

Cheers,

Noah

[1]  https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#12-resource-review

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