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[rpd] Changing existing policies

Noah noah at
Thu Dec 20 10:03:42 UTC 2018


But how can policies be improved and/or amended when some folk consider the
status quo as specifically beneficial to them while strongly opposing any
ideas by all means?


On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:20 AM Andrew Alston <
Andrew.Alston at> wrote:

> SM I know what the process to change things is - and nowhere did I suggest
> we do change anything - the soft landing changed a bunch of things as it is
> - and I'm not convinced for better - but irrespective of what you change -
> changing things in a retro-active manner in a way that would suddenly
> invalidate a use for space already assigned would almost certainly result
> in big issues and create large scale risk for AFRINIC itself.
> My point was - the review policy aint gonna help anyone if an allocation
> was legitimately made under current policies - and the policies that were
> in play when most of the bigger allocations were made allow for a whole
> bunch of things that people on this list are crying about - well - for
> right or wrong - the ship sailed.
> What this community should have been trying to do for the last few years
> is improve the current policies around allocations - rather than writing
> policies designed to go on witch hunts against our own members and give
> specific people the power to harass, target, and screw with those they
> don’t like.  But - with the allocation policies being what they were
> *shrug* too late to cry tears and start trying to rebuild the logs that are
> already ashes.
> But hey - if people wanna keep fighting over v4 and wasting everyone's
> time while we have to oppose policies which create risk, which divide this
> community and which ignore the clearly stated will of the people on the
> lists and on the floor - that is their choice - the PDP allows for it - but
> let it be written in history - that instead of attempting to raise the
> continent by helping it move forward into the future - instead of
> attempting to build the future - there were those that held the continent
> back because of their need to fight over the scraps of yesterday.
> Andrew
> On 19/12/2018, 20:21, "S Moonesamy" <sm+af at> wrote:
>     Hello,
>     {Thread moved as it is related to number resources policies]
>     At 01:01 AM 19-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
>     >What the policy *does* say is that space must be
>     >used in the manner described in the initial
>     >application.  Now – that's wherre things get
>     >real interesting.  Firstly – there iss no
>     >guidance as to how strictly AFRINIC could
>     >enforce this – and it's kinda bizarre – because
>     >people who ao applied for space back years ago
>     >in the dial up era that want to use the space
>     >today for GPON – if their applicattion stated
>     >they wanted it to number dial up users –
>     >tecchnically – they would be in violation and subject to space
> reclamation.
>     >
>     >There is also *NO* method in the policies that I
>     >could find to change the stated purpose of use –
>     >that creates a very dangerous situationn should
>     >someone choose to be stupid and malicious.
>     If I understood the above correctly, it is about
>     compliance with existing policies.  The "original
>     criteria" seems applicable in at least three of
>     the five RIRs.  The "method" to change existing
>     polices is by getting Working Group agreement on the changes being
> proposed.
>     Regards,
>     S. Moonesamy
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