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[rpd] Benjiro
Mark Elkins
mje at posix.co.za
Sun Dec 9 11:17:38 UTC 2018
Dear Community,
On 12/9/18 11:54 AM, Boubakar Barry wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
>
> Attacking so bluntly an organisation that has supported AfriNIC over
> decades is just unacceptable.
>
I don't believe the OIF is being attacked. I believe supporting people
to come to AFRINIC meetings is very noble regardless of who is providing
the support. The OIF support is however indirect to AFRINIC - nothing
wrong with that. Its people that are financially supported to get to the
meeting. One assumes though that there may be conditions or an
expectation regarding that financial support? I don't know.
For example - I have personally been financially supported by AFRINIC in
my role as a Board Member to attend AFRINIC meetings - in exchange for
my time and input (etc) in Board Meetings.
Similar is true for anyone that AFRINIC sponsors, whether Staff, PDP
Co-Chairs or even Fellows - something is expected in return.
When my company sent me - I was there representing their interests.
>
> I think OIF has done a lot for this community by providing resources
> that helped us improve and maintain diversity in participation. That’s
> commendable.
>
I totally agree with you, the resources being French speaking people
from Africa to attend these meetings. Commendable.
Has the OIF also sponsored people from non-French speaking countries to
also attend? If so, any idea of the ratio?
Anyone ever sponsored from a Southern African country by OIF? (I'm curious)
If there are no non-French speaking folk - that's also fine. Again - I
don't know.
>
> We still have room for progress, but I think we are on the right path;
> I was delighted to see an announcement posted a couple of days ago
> with an Arabic version of it. Next steps would be to provide versions
> of the website in Arabic and Portuguese as well and to have
> interpretation in these languages too in our meetings. That requires
> more resources for sure, but maybe organisations such as the Arab
> League could support.
>
That would be nice but there are I think only three Portuguese countries
out of the 56 (or so) African countries. Not sure if this would make
financial sense as the budget is tight.
There are more Arabic speaking countries but I think most Arabic
speakers that are involved with Internet also speak either French or
English.
I also applaud AFRINIC for posting some of the recent communications in
Arabic. I have some personal experience in running a website in all four
languages and Arabic was technically the most challenging. I assume
there was an Arabic language translation channel in Tunisia?
> It’s unfortunate that as we are making such progress for more
> inclusion, an organization is attacked in such way. This should be
> embarrassing for us as community and I think Board and Management who
> represent this community should distance themselves from this
> dangerous move that may affect AFRINIC. And invite initiators of such
> attacks to stop. This cannot be good for AFRINIC.
>
>
> BTW, it's intellectually dishonest to state that people who are
> sponsored by OIF defend interest of a demographic group only. I
> challenge anyone to prove this. To the best of my knowledge, the
> people targeted here have always acted in a way they think is best for
> AFRINIC and the community.
>
>
> Finally, I hope I won’t be attacked myself for writing this and be
> tagged “OIF”. Anf for the record: the only time I was sponsored by OIF
> was in 1998, to attend the AIG meeting in Cotonou.
>
>
> Boubakar
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:27 AM Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
> Let me be very clear – respect is earned – not bought, and
> gratitude? Maybe those you funds owe you such – but I have found
> the actions of the OIF delegates to AFRINIC meetings to be nothing
> short of totally abhorrent – and there is certainly no gratitude
> or respect that shall be forthcoming for those actions.
>
>
>
> When time after time it is the OIF delegates lining up to the
> microphone with slips of paper with pre-written objections to
> policies and when questioned showing no knowing of what they are
> saying – you get no respect for that.
>
>
>
> The OIF’s website states:
>
>
>
> */_IOF organises political activities and actions of multilateral
> cooperation that benefit French-speaking populations. Its actions
> respect cultural and linguistic diversity and serve to promote the
> French language, peace and sustainable development._/*
>
>
>
> Firstly – I have seen NO respect from the OIF delegates for
> anything outside of their group. Secondly – the African Continent
> is far from than just French – and I have a lot of good French
> friends – I have no problem with the French – I do have a problem
> with AFRINIC having an MoU with an organization that explicitly
> promotes the interests of one demographic. In fact I question if
> this does not represent a very subtle form of internet colonialism.
>
>
>
> So no – you will get no respect or gratitude for money – when the
> actions of the OIF and its delegates at AFRINIC promote unity
> rather than division – and do – as per the OIF’s website – respect
> that the continent is made up of a diverse population of English,
> French, Arabic, Portuguese, Swahili, and countless more – and the
> delegates are not banded together to reject anything and
> everything that is not of their making – then maybe – I will have
> some gratitutde. But rest assured – my respect – is earned by
> PEOPLE who have shown their competence, irrespective of language,
> race, creed, religion, skin color or anything else – it is not
> earned by flying lots of people to meetings to push a specific
> linguistic agenda.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From: *Gregoire Ehoumi via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> *Reply-To: *Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr
> <mailto:gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr>>
> *Date: *Saturday, 8 December 2018 at 19:06
> *To: *Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>,
> "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Benjiro
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> there seem to be some discussions about OIF role and activities
> around AFRINIC. OIF and AFRINIC has a long time relationship which
> it is worth showing people.
>
> Before AFRINIC accreditation :
>
> http://docplayer.net/10409680-Afrinic-spearheading-africa-s-internet-since-2005-10-year-anniversary.html
> page 6
>
> "2003
> Adiel Akplogan, former President of Senegal and the OIF Abdou
> Diouf, and
> the French Ambassador to Mauritius sign an MoU on funding from the
> French
> Ministry for AfriNIC ' s capacity building efforts"
>
> https://www.lexpress.mu/article/afrinic-assure-seul-la-gestion-des-adresses-africaines-du-net
>
> Abdou Diouf, secrétaire général de l'OIF a rendu visite au siège
> administratif AFRINIC. .....
> Henri Vignal, ambassadeur de France, a offert, au nom du
> gouvernement français, 70 000 euros (environ Rs 2 380 000) à
> l'association pour aider à former des informaticiens africains......
>
> More on AFRINIC and OIF relationship on the Web. ..
>
> OIF funds experts not only to AFRINIC meetings but also to IGF,
> ICANN etc
>
> This community owes OIF respect and gratitude.
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
> --Gregoire
>
>
>
> ------ Original message------
>
> *From: *Mark Elkins
>
> *Date: *Fri, Dec 7, 2018 1:35 PM
>
> *To: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>;
>
> *Cc: *
>
> *Subject:*Re: [rpd] Benjiro
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/7/18 7:38 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
>
> Dabu Sifiso,
>
> Is it not true that Daniel brought those young girls and boys
> and we all saw what they come to do? Is it pinching you that
> Benjilo brought out what we all know?
>
> Let me tell you that I am not a coward and I am not afraid of
> Daniel to tell him that he "recruited mercenaries" for Lu.
>
> Keep well your fake evidence and spoof emails.
>
>
>
> Ha! - but that is exactly what happened in Dakar - and I was on
> the receiving end of it.
>
> So now the shoe is on the other foot?
>
> I've seen this time and time again - a group of OIF sponsored folk
> gathering around people such as Alain at the back of the meeting
> hall - chatting in whispers.
>
> Actually - I would suspect that very few people at an AfriNIC
> meeting pay for themselves personally to go there (or even
> contribute themselves) - that is, out of their own personal pocket
> vs the Company paying. I've done that for the past two meetings I
> attended, Nairobi and Dakar. Its not easy.
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Dabu Sifiso <dabu.sifiso at yandex.com>
> <mailto:dabu.sifiso at yandex.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 7, 2018 4:29:20 PM
> *To:* madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Benjiro
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Marcus,
>
> Rumor...well evidence collected has it you are Benjiro.
> I wonder how the community will react.
>
> Regards,
> Dabu Sifiso
>
>
>
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