[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Sami's status as a co-chair

Fri Dec 7 09:12:34 UTC 2018

> On Dec 6, 2018, at 22:43 , Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It is heart breaking to find out that the rough consensus was announced by a floor member. This means the long hours on the plane to participate in such an important process has been put to waste. How did we get to this, did we overlook the laid down processes or was this an oversight 

Sami’s status was an unfortunate oversight to the best of my knowledge. I don’t know of anyone who has stated a contrary opinion or belief.

> I am tempted to imply this was an intentional act. But i trust the noble men of the community will not do such to jeopardise the PDP.

Prior to making such an accusation, I think one must analyze it from the perspective of “qui bono” — Who benefits?

The proponents of the proposal do not benefit because it calls the decision into question.
The opponents do not benefit because it does little to help the opposition while creating additional uncertainty and chaos around the process.

IMHO, the clear answer in this particular issue is “nobody”. If nobody benefits, it’s unlikely to be a deliberate act.

> At this time, the way forward is obviously to void the decisions made in Tunisia.

Maybe yes, maybe no. IMHO, we have to ask “is there any possibility the decision would be different if Sami hadn’t participated as a chair?” For anything where the answer is a clear no, then there’s little point to voiding the decision.

Really, there’s only one controversial decision. I agree that one should be voided, but I’m not sure that Sami should be considered the primary reason to void said decision. Certainly a contributing factor, but given the strong opposition, a consensus declaration was simply out of order anyway.

>  But then, what next???

If the decision to declare consensus and send to last call is voided, then the proposal returns to the list. If it isn’t updated before April, it dies its much needed death.

Owen

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> On 7 Dec 2018, at 03:58, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
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>> At most it would be for one co-chair and the PDP specifies election during a PDWG meeting. Dewole’s term does not expire until some time during the next PDWG meeting.
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>> The PDP specifies that the term handoff is to be agreed by the outgoing and incoming chair.
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>> The fact that the PDP Chairs election procedure is codified in the PDP does make me wonder how the noncom and election committee came to be as involved in the process as they have been, but so long as the PDWG is amenable to that involvement, the PDP as currently written doesn’t preclude it, so I am not questioning its legitimacy, only it’s genesis.
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>> Certainly, however, we will need to elect two Chairs at the Uganda meeting in June. Anyone with an interest in running is free to express that interest at any time.
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>> Owen
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>>> On Dec 6, 2018, at 09:20 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com <mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Why can't a call be made for PDP Co-chairs?
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 6, 2018, Daniel Yakmut via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>> The ghost of Dakar is hunting us. I was baffled why we turned down a person which the process thrust at us. Then agreed  to a short term measure which is now strangulating us, since we failed to do the needful.
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>>> So, yes we are now faced with the legal conundrum that makes everything we did on the Policy Day Meeting at Hammammet null and void.
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>>> How did we got here?
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>>> --- Daniel
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>>> On Dec 6, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
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>>>> Sunday,
>>>>  
>>>> I need to set the record straight and ask you to retract a part of what you said below.
>>>>  
>>>> for the job no one else wants to do
>>>>  
>>>> This is simply not accurate – there was a candidate – the community chose not to accept that candidate – but someone did want the job – and to say otherwise is not fair to the person who put their name forward.
>>>>  
>>>> Again apologies for the cross posting – but since your email went to both lists – this rebuttal must be on both.
>>>>  
>>>> Andrew
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