[rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy

Sat Dec 1 08:21:05 UTC 2018

Hello Mark,
See responses in-line

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018, 8:52 AM Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za wrote:

> From what Andrew is saying - the policy should never have gone to last
> call if there have been no changes. That's how the PDP process is meant to
> work. In reality - if the whole community accepted seeing a policy for the
> second time - then fair enough - but that is NOT the case here. I strongly
> oppose this policy. I have also watched the antics of the people pushing
> this policy and I think it was extremely rude and totally out of place for
> one of their party to call someone else in the room a "visitor" -
> suggesting that that other person had no rights to be present. The person
> being subjected to this treatment provided much needed input (and policies)
> to the Policy Development Process - especially regarding IPv6 - which is
> our future.
> We should have no place for Name Calling.
>
Not speaking for the person here, but I remembered watching it remotely
where the said person clarified his statement.

> I never heard an apology either.
>
I think you should watch again, the person apologised if his statement has
been misinterpreted and even heard applause from the room afterwards.

> Anyway - I believe that the PDP Co-Chairs have made a mistake and this
> Policy has not reached a positive Consensus (actually quite the opposite to
> Positive). It should not be at last call.
>
> The Policy - if used - is also extremely dangerous to the existence and
> financial well being of the Company (AFRINIC).
> It really should be withdrawn.
>
I thought Staff Assessment was conducted. I believe this must have been
sorted out and necessary clarification provided.

> On 12/1/18 9:15 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Sorry – I need to correct something in my email below –
>
>
>
> I said there were no _*substantive*_ changes since the last rejection of
> this policy – this is inaccurate – there were **NO** - changes –
> substantive or otherwise – zero – zip – none – as per the website which
> publishes draft 6
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 09:27
> *To: *"aleruchichuku at yahoo.com" <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>, Daniel Yakmut
> <yakmutd at googlemail.com> <yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
> <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Aleruchi,
>
>
>
> While I agree with everything you have said – let us also be pragmatic.
> This policy is pushed by the same crowd that walked to the microphone and
> agreed at the request of the community to drop another policy, and then
> reneged on it.  This policy has been rejected, as has the soft landing
> policy, over and over again – yet the authors do not give a damn about the
> will of the community or the good of the community.  Go and watch the
> videos of the Mauritian policy meeting – you will notice the same people
> involved in what happened there are involved in this policy as well.
>
>
>
> The authors have clearly demonstrated that they care not a whit about what
> this community wants or believes is good for it, they have demonstrated bad
> faith, and shown that the only thing they care about is shoving something
> through no matter the consequence – and the co-chairs have already shown
> that they either do not understand the concept of consensus – or simply do
> not care.  Fact is – there is precedent on co-chairs being overturned on
> appeal in another RIR – and when it happened – the person who was
> overturned – ceased to be a co-chair.  These co-chairs however are
> insistent on a path that ignores the consensus process, and seem hell bent
> on forcing a situation where they are overturned – yet again – or failing
> that forcing AfriNIC into an untenable and potentially costly process
> beyond the appeal process.
>
>
>
> Reality is – there were _*no*_ substantive changes to this policy from
> the last time it was rejected – and the objections to the policy that were
> stated back then have never been withdrawn, and by lack of changes in the
> text can be clearly demonstrated to not have been addressed – this flies in
> the very face of the definition of consensus – the co-chairs however simply
> do not care.
>
>
>
> Welcome to what our PDP process has become – the bullying of the minority
> supported by co-chairs who do not understand consensus – to push through
> agendas that have zero to do with the good of the community and more to do
> with standing your ground to prove that you can.
>
>
>
> And btw – before I’m attacked – yes – I have proposed some controversial
> policies over the years – fact is – all of them were withdrawn when the
> community wanted that.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From: *aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Reply-To: *"aleruchichuku at yahoo.com" <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 07:02
> *To: *Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com> <yakmutd at googlemail.com>,
> Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>, rpd List
> <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> It's very sad that this policy still lingers like a nightmare after it has
> been rejected over and over again. It has consistently bred anger and
> mistrust.
>
> Please for the sake of unity, I will advice the chairs to do what is right
> by the people. DROP THIS POLICY.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Aleruchi
>
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>
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 4:15 am, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
>
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