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[rpd] Abuse Contact proposal from Jordi

Thu Nov 29 14:44:05 UTC 2018

Hi Owen,

I think we agree that a single contact across all the regions is ideal. In fact, I think it is in the other way around. We have abuse-c in RIPE, APNIC and LACNIC. APNIC was IRT, but it has been changed as a consequence of this policy proposal having been adopted. Not sure about ARIN.

However, I don't see the harm to keep the old contacts as "automated" pointers to the new ones, but make sure that all the recommendations, best practices, etc., point to the new one. This way we don't break anything, doesn't cost "anything extra", but at some point, the old contacts "pointers" can be deleted if deemed necessary. I think it is an implementation detail (deleting them or not and when).

Regarding to the "good standing" I agree with you. It should depend on the membership agreement, not the policy, so it should be considered at implementation time.


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Owen DeLong <owen at>
Fecha: jueves, 29 de noviembre de 2018, 15:29
Para: rpd List <rpd at>
Asunto: [rpd] Abuse Contact proposal from Jordi

    Given the final discussion between Jordi and Alan, I have the following feedback:
    While I am not attached to having any particular name for the field, mnt-irt or abuse-c, I will say that I do not believe that there is enough benefit to changing the name to abuse-c to warrant the effort and confusion that is likely to result.
    While it would be nice to have a consistent name across all RIRs, the simple reality is that we have the IRT name here and it is somewhat widely implemented.
    As such, I believe that while we may wish to adopt the rest of this proposal, it makes little sense to adopt the part that renames things to abuse-c and we should simply preserve the IRT objects, make them mandatory as in the proposal, and discard the concept of abuse-c altogether.
    In terms of voting rights, as I understand it, a member must be “in good standing” in order to preserve their right to vote. This includes a number of things, including payment of fees and adherence to policies. If a member is not in compliance with the policy, I have no problem with their ability to vote being impacted by that along with their other facilities on my afrinic.
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