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[rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2

Willy MANGA mangawilly at
Wed Nov 28 19:33:11 UTC 2018

Hi Jordi,

Le 27/11/2018 à 18:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
> Hi Willy,
> A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).
> A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.
> Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.

Moving data between two hosts means you need two different identifiers .
The most important here is the DNS.
Even if you want the same host on a different site, I'll say it depends.
What matters here is : do we want numbers used within each RIR being
registered in the local RIR? If yes, I may understand the rationale
behind the transfer.
If not, transfer is not mandatory.

> If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.
> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.

IPv6 is cheap (for the moment) :)

> So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.

Again don't forget you have DNS on top of numbers. Even for the
management of network itself. It should be very helpful here.

Of course I do not take into account all possible use cases.

> By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?

This case (ASN transfer) need to be well defined. But I'll be in favor
to restrict it to merger and acquisition only.

Willy Manga

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