[rpd] New Policy Proposal - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01)

Wed Nov 7 17:30:43 UTC 2018

Hi Jordi,

Let us consider your two following statements and you will understand that your draft proposal is addressing no issue in our region rather in the other regions:

1. “This proposal is facilitating *any* IPv4 (and ASN) resources from other regions to be transferred to AfriNIC”.

OK.

That would have been good. It was suggested that as we are   later player, other RIRs (especially APNIC, ARIN, RIPE NCC) should allow IPv4 to flow freely  to the region.

The inbound transfer policy were abandoned due among other things to the  compatibility and reciprocity requirements imposed by them.

But, this region has addressed the need for IPv4 with the remaining AFRINIC pool and the Intra-RIR policy.

It has been raised here that, people don't want AFRICA to turn to new IPv4 paradise when the rest is investing in IPv6.

Use the v4 available within region to accommodate IPv6.
You  from the IPv6 company asks with your mail signature: “IPv4 is over, are you ready for the new Internet?"

2. “In the other direction *only* legacy IPv4 (and ASN) resources can be transferred from AfriNIC to other RIRs”.

Legacy are always free to move(in and out) and we encourage them to be used in the region and the intra-RIR transfer encourages them to join the normal AFRINIC pool.

I am not sure that allowing legacy-only out of this region will make this region inter-RIR transfer compatible and reciprocal as required by them to allow the "any inbound".

So i don't see any new meat  here compared to the previous inbound transfer proposal and again, this is not solving a real problem for this region.

Thanks

Marcus

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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 4:13:00 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey; RPD; Sami Salih
Subject: Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01)

Hi Marcus,

I’ve changed the subject so it is not confusing …

First of all, thanks for your inputs!

I recall the previous proposals, and I’m trying with this proposal, precisely, to protect the AfriNIC resources, but at the same time allow this region to participate in the global market and ensure that any operations are registered instead of happening under the table.

However, I have the feeling that you’re interpreting the text on the other way around.

This proposal is facilitating *any* IPv4 (and ASN) resources from other regions to be transferred to AfriNIC.

On the other direction *only* legacy IPv4 (and ASN) resources can be transferred from AfriNIC to other RIRs.

I will encourage you to read it again, and tell us where you believe that my text is broken so you are misunderstanding it, and ten I can do a better work in a new version.

Thanks!

Regards,
Jordi

De: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
Fecha: jueves, 1 de noviembre de 2018, 16:35
Para: RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>, Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>
Asunto: Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Simple Update of the PDP (AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01)

Dear Jordi,
I have read the policy proposal you have submitted on October 26, 2018 and titled “Inter-RIR Resource Transfers” with the reference name AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01 [1].
You may recall,  the IPv4  inter-RIR transfer proposal was previously discussed and withdrawn as it failed to rally consensus on the  problem(s) it was supposed to address  for this region.
This proposal stated :
"This Proposal currently does not attempt to address Legacy Resources (IPv4 and ASN's) - that is resources that are in the AFRINIC Region and were acquired before ARIN existed. Legacy Resources may be moved out of the AFRINIC region and redeployed freely. They may however be subject to the receiving RIR's policies."
Later on the community adopted an IPv4 Intra-RIR  transfer policy which was implemented recently. The policy stated :
" 5.7.2 IPv4 resources to be transferred must be from an existing AFRINIC members account or from a Legacy Resource Holder in the AFRINIC service region."

Your new proposal uses different rhetoric with more elaborated background and problem statement which is addressing no issue of this community. The problems you put across don’t stand the test of validity. Rather, your draft policy is addressing the issue of lack of IPV4 in the other regions.
Your policy seems to propose inter-RIR transfer for IPV6 and legacy IPV4 and ASN. The need for these in our region is doubtful
I therefore oppose the policy
Thank you,

Marcus Adomey

[1] https<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>://<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>afrinic.net<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>/<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>en<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>/community/<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>policy-development<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>/<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>policy-proposals<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers<https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers>
[2] https<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>://<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>afrinic.net<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>/community/<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>policy-development<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>/<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>policy-proposals<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy<https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy>
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From: Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:37:20 AM
To: rpd
Subject: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Simple Update of the PDP (AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01)

Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,
Greetings,

A new new policy proposal has been received and published as follows:

Proposal : Simple Update of the PDP
Ref.No    : AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01
Author     : Jordi Palet Martinez
Link         : https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2535-simple-update-of-the-pdp
Your participation and contribution are welcome.
Sincerely,

PDWG Co-chairs

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
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