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[rpd] Questions for Alain...

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at
Tue Jun 5 14:37:03 UTC 2018


Nothing ad-hominem about this –

Fact – a policy was proposed that the community rejected
Fact – the community asked for the policy to be withdrawn – multiple times
Fact – Alain refused to withdraw and then denied that the community had demanded such – despite it being on video
Fact – The policy was some how shoved through – and appealed
Fact – the appeal was granted
Fact – Alain then slammed the integrity of the appeal committee and accused them of malfeasance – again – that’s on video

All of this – over a 3 period while railing against people who wanted IP space and doing everything in his power to ensure that people could not GET the space they needed by policy – while also holding a block of space for his employer that remains unannounced other than 25% of it announced by a commercial ASN – while pushing for an audit policy that anyone can clearly see was designed to target specific individuals – and I can name them.

To then turn around and open a broker – while attempting to use policy to swing things like this with no declaration of interest – might be within the rules – but it is in my opinion – shockingly bad ethics and at the very least – shows a total lack of judgement


From: Mike Burns [mailto:mike at]
Sent: 05 June 2018 17:11
To: 'Owen DeLong' <owen at>; 'Chevalier du Borg' <virtual.borg at>
Cc: 'AfriNIC RPD MList.' <rpd at>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Questions for Alain...

“There’s nothing wrong with being a broker” – Owen

Thanks for that, Owen. 😉
More to the point, there is nothing wrong with a broker authoring policy.
I agree that it’s better to be open about being a broker when authoring policy.

However this thread began entirely as an ad hominem.

+1 to the previous poster who said it’s past time for Africa to get in sync with the rest of the world regarding the IPv4 market.

From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 9:14 AM
To: Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at<mailto:virtual.borg at>>
Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList. <rpd at<mailto:rpd at>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Questions for Alain...

There’s nothing wrong with being a broker. However, the SL-BIS proposal is one which brokers stand to profit from.

Your analogy of the doctor doesn’t apply because the doctor isn’t profiting from it when you stop smoking. Indeed, you’re improved health might actually cost him money.

This would be more like having the doctor encourage your smoking and then discovering that he also owned a tobacco company.

Not only is it bad medical advice, but turns out the doctor stands to profit from it if the community takes his bad advice.


On Jun 5, 2018, at 04:19, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at<mailto:virtual.borg at>> wrote:

Dear M. Alson

Is there a logic arguement in here somewhere?
Ad-hominem is not logic

After all, yourself have defended broker on this list saying there nothing wrong with it.

The doctor advise to STOP smoking is still good advice for you, even if doctor hisself is a big smoker.

Le mar. 5 juin 2018 à 14:31, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at<mailto:Andrew.Alston at>> a écrit :

You have actively supported and fought for the new soft landing policy – to artificially restrict space to entities that need it.

Now, I’d like to ask – as an author of the soft-landing-bis policy which you have STILL not withdrawn… aren’t you just a LITTLE bit conflicted in trying to create an artificial shortage and make it hard for people to get space – while starting and founding an IP broker in Africa?

Maybe now we understand the *true* motivations behind the soft landing bis policy….<>


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