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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Nothing ad-hominem about this –
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fact – a policy was proposed that the community rejected
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fact – the community asked for the policy to be withdrawn – multiple times
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fact – Alain refused to withdraw and then denied that the community had demanded such – despite it being on video<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fact – The policy was some how shoved through – and appealed
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fact – the appeal was granted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fact – Alain then slammed the integrity of the appeal committee and accused them of malfeasance – again – that’s on video
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All of this – over a 3 period while railing against people who wanted IP space and doing everything in his power to ensure that people could not GET the space they needed by policy – while also holding
a block of space for his employer that remains unannounced other than 25% of it announced by a commercial ASN – while pushing for an audit policy that anyone can clearly see was designed to target specific individuals – and I can name them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To then turn around and open a broker – while attempting to use policy to swing things like this with no declaration of interest – might be within the rules – but it is in my opinion – shockingly
bad ethics and at the very least – shows a total lack of judgement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Mike Burns [mailto:mike@iptrading.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 05 June 2018 17:11<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Owen DeLong' <owen@delong.com>; 'Chevalier du Borg' <virtual.borg@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'AfriNIC RPD MList.' <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">“There’s nothing wrong with being a broker” – Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for that, Owen. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">More to the point, there is nothing wrong with a broker authoring policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I agree that it’s better to be open about being a broker when authoring policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">However this thread began entirely as an ad hominem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+1 to the previous poster who said it’s past time for Africa to get in sync with the rest of the world regarding the IPv4 market.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Owen DeLong [<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">mailto:owen@delong.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 05, 2018 9:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chevalier du Borg <<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList. <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">There’s nothing wrong with being a broker. However, the SL-BIS proposal is one which brokers stand to profit from. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Your analogy of the doctor doesn’t apply because the doctor isn’t profiting from it when you stop smoking. Indeed, you’re improved health might actually cost him money. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This would be more like having the doctor encourage your smoking and then discovering that he also owned a tobacco company. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Not only is it bad medical advice, but turns out the doctor stands to profit from it if the community takes his bad advice. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Jun 5, 2018, at 04:19, Chevalier du Borg <<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear M. Alson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Is there a logic arguement in here somewhere? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ad-hominem is not logic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">After all, yourself have defended broker on this list saying there nothing wrong with it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The doctor advise to STOP smoking is still good advice for you, even if doctor hisself is a big smoker.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Le mar. 5 juin 2018 à 14:31, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You have actively supported and fought for the new soft landing policy – to artificially restrict space to entities that need it.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Now, I’d like to ask – as an author of the soft-landing-bis policy which you have STILL not withdrawn… aren’t you just a LITTLE bit conflicted in trying to create an artificial
shortage and make it hard for people to get space – while starting and founding an IP broker in Africa?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Maybe now we understand the *<b>true</b>* motivations behind the soft landing bis policy….<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html" target="_blank">http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Borg le Chevalier<br>
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