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[rpd] [arin-ppml] LACNIC proposal to create a global internetregistry

Owen DeLong owen at
Tue Apr 3 06:32:14 UTC 2018

> On Apr 1, 2018, at 10:28 , Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at> wrote:
> All,
> I have had long thought on this. Let’s look at it this way;
> First, IANA /PTI is the authority controlling the resources and split to the 5 RIRs. That is fine up till here.

	Let’s be clear… IANA/PTI is the registry that tracks the distribution of Number Resources to the 5 RIRs
	according to global policies developed by the RIRs and forwarded to the ICANN board through the ASO-AC/NRO-NC.

> Second, with a growing financial situation for ICANN will also automatically influence PTI since the RIRs still contribute to its running plus ICANN financial support

	I think it would be good if the communities in the RIRs had a much clearer picture of how ICANN/PTI relate
	and what IANA functions live where and how much the RIRs are paying to PIT and how much to ICANN for those
	purposes and for any other purposes as well.

> Third, Perhaps most important is that we know it cannot be moved from the USA territory and in case of a financial meltdown it may affect us again, perhaps we may have to see ICANN / IANA going back to the US authorities !!!! It is a risk

	I think it is unlikely the USG would want to take on those responsibilities again now that they have managed to
	unload them.

> If all five RIRs can to see an agreement since it is a global policy being proposed. I am not sure whether the ICANN board which is lobbied greatly may accept such a position but, if we do not try it may never happen. I believe in ideas that makes the system move. We are not ten years back or the year before. 

	My understanding is that if the RIRs make a global policy governing how number resources are managed, the ICANN
	board has no real authority to reject the policy short of it posing a fiduciary danger to ICANN itself. Not sure
	how that all works in the new PTI-IANA/ICANN world, but if the 5 RIRs agree, then they have the option to fire
	PTI/ICANN and seek a new IANA services provider as well.

	That having been said, I’m not yet convinced that this is a good idea that should be pursued. I’m not convinced
	that it isn’t, either, but my default position until such time as I see a clear benefit or need is that the risks
	outweigh the benefits.

> Such a proposal can eventually meet ICP2 if worked out in consensus. It will not be a full alignment but worth a shot. Numbers and names work together as much as they are also split. 

	Not sure what you mean about numbers and names. ICP2 has nothing to do with Names. It’s strictly about how to create/
	certify/allow a new RIR to join the fold, as it were. One of the provisions which will be very difficult to work around
	here is the statement that RIRs should be roughly “continental” in scope.

> On another aspect the importance of legacy space advertising is also important to know and see what is doable or not. We know there is quite a lot of space as well in the legacy space and many are still pitching for them.. If we are able to reconcile all the resources as it stands today. We may have a real visibility of resources as well as the underlying dark web as well. With a little bit of focused research.

	I’m not sure how any of this relates to the proposal to create a new “global” registry. I personally think that
	chasing legacy space is a bit akin to buying record presses instead of servers… Most people today download their
	music. Legacy space is strictly 32-bit addressing which is rapidly becoming passe.

> My personal view is that it is worth a thought and perhaps can be improved since it serves both v4 and v6. It might if we all focus and design the system to sustain the communities in all RIRs may see some relief perhaps. 

	Certainly worthy of consideration. I’m not sure what the perceived benefits or advantages are, but several people
	I have great respect for are supporting the idea, so I assume they see some merit to the proposal.


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