[rpd] [pdwg-appeal] SoftLanding BIS notice of intent to appeal

[Saul Stein]

>I hope you are not planning to join efforts with your convener who in a 
>separate email has made it clear that if the policy does pass he will use 
>the Mauritius government to force the AfriNIC >Board to refuse it and use 
>the same Board to apply different policies top-down while refusing to 
>implement policies the community has passed  - a particularly disturbing 
>piece of information.



Jackson, these attacks and smear campaigns are really getting old.

I really wish that you would stop attacking Andrew, Owen and the rest of us 
that are interested in the community. Let’s take Owen – he puts in loads of 
time contributing to our community. For what? He gets nothing in return, 
expect grief from the likes of you. Why? Because he believes in the best 
interest of the community. It is of no difference to him if there is or is 
not v4 space in Africa. His business doesn’t get space from AFRINIC.



Likewise Andrew, if need be, Liquid is a big enough organisation that can 
either litigate to get what they need, open an office in the RIPE region 
(who only charge membership fees which aren’t based on space allocated, thus 
benefiting from huge savings). Andrew doesn’t talk about v6 networks, he has 
done them. Liquid is often used as a case study for what they have done.



My point is, they aren’t protesting for personal gain, they (and we) are 
pointing out the issues in this policy that are bad for the community 
because they care about the community. It would be far easier for them not 
to worry and the end users TODAY will suffer!



@moderators, please can you stop this allusion to convenors and insults to 
all those against this policy!



Saul

I wrote this on my own free will







From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com]
Sent: 23 January 2018 08:21 AM
To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Cc: AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] [pdwg-appeal] SoftLanding BIS notice of intent to appeal





On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com 
<mailto:owen at delong.com> > wrote:



>> Your issues are based on presumption that AfriNIC is a shop in a free
>> market where IP addresses are commodities on shelves ready for anyone
>> that walks in to buy in whatever quantity and deplete at will - an
>> extremely selfish principle to deploy during a period of scarcity of a
>> public resource.

My perspective is that addressed are community resources to be used to 
deploy internet services to end users.



Yes.



My belief is that addresses have no utility whatsoever sitting on a shelf in 
the registry if there is a legitimate need for them to be used by end users.



I say yes to this but with caution. Those end users are served by ISPs. 
Those ISPs are very many, competing for a tiny resource. Those end users 
also live in 54 African countries. You do NOT want to let one ISP in Nigeria 
use the remaining tiny resource to just serve Nigerian end users. There are 
others too that need a piece of that tiny resource. You unfortunately and 
regrettably keep ignoring this fact.



My belief is that it is a disservice to this community to protect a free 
pool from real end users with legitimate need



It is a greater disservice to this community to open a very scarce resource 
to abusive use by letting one or two businesses gainfully use most of that 
resource when there are thousand others that still need it.



for the sake of enabling some fictitious entity to gain some advantage later 
over a clear and present entity attempting to deliver service today.



Why do you call the new entrants 'fictitious'? Do you actually think we are 
stagnant in Africa and that there are no more new players to forecast for? 
Is the concept of forecasting in business practice perhaps inane to you?



You claim it is a lie to say your concerns have not been addressed. May be 
you are unhappy with the facts and nothing can be done about this 
unhappiness.



I hope you are not planning to join efforts with your convener who in a 
separate email has made it clear that if the policy does pass he will use 
the Mauritius government to force the AfriNIC Board to refuse it and use the 
same Board to apply different policies top-down while refusing to implement 
policies the community has passed  - a particularly disturbing piece of 
information.



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