[rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)

Fri Dec 15 05:47:36 UTC 2017

Owen,

Rough consensus determined at the PPM is what takes a policy
into last call. Co-chairs evaluate feedback received in last call and
determine if there are any objections that invalidate this consensus.
 Sustained objections are not necessarily substantive.

I admit I could have been clearer.  I pasted in reply to a particular
message but just caught up with e-mails after the ppm and my remark about
subverting the process included the messages and petitions on rpd since
Lagos.

Omo

On 15 December 2017 at 04:05, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> Omo,
>
> The Co-chair posted a public message which implied they had already
> determined consensus on the policy in question prematurely and prior to the
> close of last call. I believe this was a simple mistake on their part and
> said as much. I did, however, state what I would do if it turned out that
> this was an intentional subversion of the process.
>
> I am attempting to protect the process as written and as quoted by you. I
> do not understand how you can claim I am attempting to subvert it.
>
> You are correct, your message attacks what I said and not me personally,
> so it is not ad hominem. It is, however still quite erroneous on factual
> grounds.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 16:03, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
>
> Andrew and Owen,
>
> I have been catching up with emails today and disappointed in both of you
> but I cannot say I am surprised.
>
> I would rather not comment as a co-author of the policy in question but I
> do not see anyone censuring you as they should.   Mind you, this is not ad
> hominem so please do not insult me by claiming it is.
>
> The PDP may be broken but it is what we work with at this time and it is
> clear yet you try to subvert it with your noise.   I paste for you
>
>
> 3.4.3 Last Call
>
> A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group
> Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion
> mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. The Working
> Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the Public
> Policy Meeting during this period and decide whether consensus has been
> achieved.
>
>
> 3.4.4 Approval
>
> The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the AFRINIC
> Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the Policy
> Development Working Group. The recommendation shall include a report of the
> discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The draft
> policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.
>
> Please let the Co-chairs do their job and stop harrassing them.
>
> The recommendation and report the Co-chairs make is to the board and that
> is plain to see to anyone who can read.  More importantly, these are
> volunteers and don't need your nnuendos and diatribe.
>
> I won't read your denials so don't bother.
>
>
>
> On 15 December 2017 at 00:38, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c
> om> wrote:
>
>> No aspertions cast - I stated “in the event that” - not that the event
>> would occur :) I was careful to add that.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:35:16 PM
>> *To:* Andrew Alston
>> *Cc:* Sami Salih; rpd
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
>> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>>
>> I prefer for the moment to give the co-chairs the benefit of the doubt
>> and assume that they were simply careless in their phrasing.
>>
>> I will wait until further action is taken before casting such aspersions
>> or making any such accusation.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 14:24 , Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c
>> om> wrote:
>>
>> Correct Owen - the only time the board gets a report is to state that a
>> policy has passed last call and consensus has been reached and they should
>> ratify.
>>
>> I would argue though that in the event of this policy now magically
>> finding last call consensus despite the opposition - the above email
>> clearly demonstrates that the outcome was pre determined and opposition be
>> damned - which again is clear grounds for yet another appeal - and failing
>> that - great grounds for litigation.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2017 3:08:52 PM
>> *To:* Sami Salih
>> *Cc:* rpd
>> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
>> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>>
>> Is a report to the board required if the co-chairs determine no consensus
>> in last call?
>>
>> It seems to me that pre-determining that the proposal will be sent to the
>> board, especially in light of the sustained and vigorous opposition to it
>> is premature at best and shows clear disregard for the PDP.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 00:31 , Sami Salih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>>
>> Dear PDWG,
>> Good day.
>>
>> This is to remind you that the last call period for policy proposal IPv4
>> Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07) will end in two days
>> (Saturday Dec. 16, 2017) then the Co-chairs will send the report to the
>> board.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> PDWG Co-Chairs.
>>
>> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>> Sudan University of Science and Technology
>> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>> Mob: +249122045707 <+249%2012%20204%205707>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
>> *To: *"rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:50:09 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
>> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>>
>> Dear PDWG Community,
>>
>> We thank you for your interaction following the AFRINIC-27 meetings in
>> Lagos, Nigeria although it would be nicer to see more of constructive
>> commentary than personal attacks.
>>
>> Following the AFRINIC Policy Development Process as outlined in Article
>> 3.0 of http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/1829-afrinic-cons
>> olidated-policy-manual , the proposal IPv4 Soft Landing Bis was moved to
>> Last Call period for further input from the community before being passed
>> on for ratification by the AFRINIC board or returned to the mailing list.
>>
>> For avoidance of doubt, please see portions below. Emphasis added for
>> the purpose of explanation.
>> 3.4.2 Public Policy Meeting
>> The draft policy is placed on the agenda of an open public policy
>> meeting. The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on the Resource
>> Policy Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior to the meeting. No
>> change can be made to a draft policy within one week of the meeting. This
>> is so that a stable version of the draft policy can be considered at the
>> meeting. *The Chair(s) determine(s) whether rough consensus has been
>> achieved during the Public Policy Meeting.*
>> The Chair(s) shall publish the minutes of proceedings of the Public
>> Policy Meeting not later than three weeks after the meeting.
>> 3.4.3 Last Call
>> A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group
>> Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion
>> mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. *The
>> Working Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the
>> Public Policy Meeting during this period and decide whether consensus has
>> been achieved.*
>> 3.4.4 Approval
>> *The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the
>> AFRINIC Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the
>> Policy Development Working Group.* The recommendation shall include a
>> report of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last
>> Call. The draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.
>>
>>
>> For your further reference,
>> Announcement of draft proposal version discussed at Public Policy
>> Meeting: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007658.html
>>
>> First community comment: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe
>> rmail/rpd/2017/007660.html
>> Second community comment: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe
>> rmail/rpd/2017/007673.html
>>
>> The proposal draft discussed at the meeting was published on this mailing
>> list on October 1, 2017. Over an 8-week period, that document received one
>> comment (and a +1) stating that the IPv6 reserve be restricted only to new
>> members.
>>
>> We duly observed previous comments from those that oppose soft landing
>> and would rather remove restrictions. This concern is addressed by the fact
>> that the IP addresses under discussion were in fact handed to AFRINIC in
>> 2011 under a global policy which equally redistributed the remaining IPv4
>> pool amongst RIRs (effectively replacing the “on-demand” policy - despite
>> the fact that other RIRs may have had greater need and demand at that
>> time). Refer to Section 3 (Rationale) of http://www.afrinic.net/library
>> /135-global-policy-for-the-allocation-of-the-remaining-ipv4-address-space
>>
>> While minutes of the meeting are yet to be published, the community may
>> observe the proceedings of the session at https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>> v=e-EIsBtenw0
>> Complete meeting video playlist is at https://meeting.afrinic.net/af
>> rinic-27/
>>
>> The policy proposal IPv4 Soft-Landing Bis remains in last call period as
>> earlier announced.
>>
>> Thank you for your active participation as we look forward to receiving
>> your comments and suggestions on the substance of the policy proposal under
>> discussion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> PDWG Co-Chairs
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"dewole" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
>> *To: *"rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Sent: *Friday, December 1, 2017 12:17:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
>> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>>
>> Dear PDWG Members,
>>
>> Following discussions by the PDWG community at AFRINIC-27 during the
>> Public Policy Meeting held on 30 November 2017 in Lagos, the following
>> policy proposal has been moved to “Last Call”, starting today 01 December
>> 2017.
>>
>> The last call period will be 15 calendar days.
>>
>> IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07) - moves to last call
>> with the following minor modifications:
>> Reword 5.4.7.1 to remove specific reference to “XLAT translators”
>> Add “including IDN ccTLDs” to 5.4.7.5.3
>> Current Version: https://afrinic.net/en/communi
>> ty/policy-development/policy-proposals/2247-ipv4-soft-landing-bis-
>>
>> The Last Call period will end on 16 December 2017.
>>
>> PDWG Co-Chairs
>>
>>
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