[rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS

Tue Aug 8 03:27:32 UTC 2017

Hi,

I do like the idea to have an IPv6 only communication channel with
AFRINIC for additional/first IPv4 allocation, that is something that
any LIR/Network spending just a tiny bit of time can actually achieve
and in the process gain some practical/real world IPv6 knowledge and
will truly promote IPv6.

It would also send a very strong IPv6 signal out!
Great idea, we always question how to promote IPv6, that would be one
very effective method.

I however do not think the RDP Authors should be limited to be active
IPv6 techies nor that RPD really needs an overall rewrite either for
that matter.

On 7 August 2017 at 13:03, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> Mark,
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> I don’t have an issue with this – I was also thinking, perhaps we need a
> policy that says that any policy must have at least one author on it that
> can clearly demonstrate their own v6 deployments, to customers, not just in
> the core and not just an announcement?
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> Andrew
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> From: Mark Elkins [mailto:mje at posix.co.za]
> Sent: 07 August 2017 12:47
> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS
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> I believe this is largely influenced by how Telkom SA works. Getting
> IPv6 connectivity from them is not easy (I believe it should be
> automatic). They certainly do not provide IPv6 over the aDSL - thus
> other people copy them. Disappointing.
>
> If I could make a simple change to Policy, when a (prospective) LIR
> talks to AfriNIC to obtain numbering resources:
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> 1) If one has no AfriNIC resources - one can ask for them by any
> connectivity method (IPv4/IPv6). A first request for IPv4 should
> probably also include a request for IPv6. Perhaps one would have to
> provide justification in order to not also get IPv6?
> 2) If the LIR has IPv4 resources but no IPv6 resources - the LIR can
> only ask AfriNIC for IPv6 resources (presumably via IPv4).
> 3) If the LIR has IPv6 address space - then all requests to AfriNIC must
> be made from the LIR's own IPv6 address space.
>
> i.e. Policy that encourages LIR's to use IPv6.
>
> On 07/08/2017 11:23, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> Basically, Saul is correct.
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>> Again, most FTTH providers are using a form of "naked" FTTH, as in, they
>> don't control the OLT's and the backend infrastructure. The IPOE/PPPOE side
>> of things is controlled by a relatively small number of players and they
>> need to v6 enable.
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>> In our case - we are fortunate enough to control not only the fiber, but
>> the OLT's, ONT's and BRAS equipment - basically - we own the infrastructure
>> end to end - making v6 turn up relatively simple.
>>
>> Yes, they can proxy off the radius authentication to other providers to
>> enable an IPC style environment - but until they actually support V6 across
>> that - things are going to be a problem. Right now - we need a way to find a
>> way to convince certain companies (who I am resisting naming here) to v6
>> enable so that v6 can actually happen.
>>
>> And here is the thing - denying IP space to anyone - isn't going to help,
>> because it's not the providers getting the v4 address space or being denied
>> the v4 address space that are in the driving seat here - it’s the big
>> providers. And I know, someone is going to turn around and say, well, use
>> another provider. Guess what - right now - *NONE* of the providers who have
>> this infrastructure are doing it - so the option isn't really there (yet).
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Saul Stein [mailto:saul at enetworks.co.za]
>> Sent: 07 August 2017 12:05
>> To: Andre van Zyl <vanzyla at bcxcomms.net>; Andrew Alston
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> Cc: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: RE: [rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS
>>
>> Hi Andre,
>>
>>> They are indeed an ADSL provider, and what you say around DSL in SA is
>>> correct. However, they are also a hosting, and an rapidly expanding
>>> FTTH operation, and by >your own feedback FTTH is an area where IPv6
>>> can be and is successfully deployed.
>> Sadly this is not true... while there are one or two FTTH companies that
>> can, the big national guys that own the fibre in the ground don’t support
>> it, so the ISPs can't supply it. :-(
>>
>> Saul
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