[rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)

Fri Aug 4 10:56:18 UTC 2017

YEp ! agreed with you Big Boss Badru

Arnaud.

Regards

2017-08-04 10:25 GMT+00:00 Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>:

> Members
>
> Can we please go back to the subject matter of the TORS.  The history of
> AfriNIC has allot of good behind it lets please try and keep the low
> moments out of our discussions.
>
> I’d rather we have additive comments.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On 8/4/17, 10:56 AM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> wrote:
>
> And another factual inaccuracy – I did not know it was open until Sander
> told me about it – nor did I ever subscribe to it.
>
>
>
> Please – get your facts straight before throwing out accusations.
>
>
>
> Secondly – how was he supposed to know it was a private list when he
> subscribed to it? Instead – when he found out – he informed myself and
> others of the fact that it was open – and it got fixed.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com
> <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* 04 August 2017 10:34
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Cc:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>; Sander Steffann <
> sander at steffann.nl>; Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; Gert Döring <
> gert at space.net>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> > Jackson,
> >
> > I’m not going to go back into this issue – surfice to say – the list was
> > publicly listed as an open subscription list on a page that could be
> found
> > on google – you click on it – you hit subscribe – it subscribes you.
> Guess
> > what – if I see a public mailing list that lets me hit subscribe and
> > subscribes me – that is locatable on google – and that list looks
> > interesting – then yeah – I see no problem subscribing to it.
> >
> > People who claim said list was hacked are a little confused – it’s the
> > equivalent of saying that because someone googles and finds the RPD list
> and
> > hits subscribe that they hacked into the RPD list. There was ZERO notice
> > that that list was closed, that it was limited access, or anything else.
>
> Thank you for this.
>
> It was a private list and you (a sitting Board) and Sander (a sitting
> RIPE Chair) discovered the list was open by accident.
>
> A person of good integrity could have privately asked AfriNIC to
> adjust configuration of that list in order to protect the institution
> from embarrassment, rather than intentionally embarrass the
> institution by making all those findings public.
>
> J
>
> > Last I heard – to hack into something – you had to do more than click on
> a
> > bunch of publicly accessible links.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com
> <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>]
> > Sent: 04 August 2017 09:31
> > To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> > Cc: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>; Sander Steffann
> > <sander at steffann.nl>; Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; Gert Döring
> > <gert at space.net>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Andrew Alston
> > <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> >> Sorry, but right now, I am now appealing to someone to please enforce
> the
> >> code of conduct.
> >>
> >> There is absolutely no call – nor right – to tell individuals who are
> >> welcome and not welcome in the context of the RPD list that is an open
> >> forum
> >> to discuss policy and other issues.
> >
> > Stop being ridiculous.
> >
> > The context of Markus message pertains to Sander's offer of serving on
> > appeal committee.
> >
> > You of all should have been banned on this list long ago for your
> > repeated and sustained blatant attacks on other people here.
> >
> > By the way Andrew are you actually defending his action of having
> > accessed the private information of AfriNIC and made it public?
> >
> > J
> >
> >> This is a blatant attack on the co-chair of another RIR, and I appeal to
> >> the
> >> co-chairs to act decisively against this behaviour and do something
> about
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
> <madomey at hotmail.com>]
> >> Sent: 04 August 2017 01:25
> >> To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>; Sander Steffann
> >> <sander at steffann.nl>
> >> Cc: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; Gert Döring <gert at space.net>;
> rpd
> >>>> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Jackson,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If during the random selection for seat 3 and 4 my names comes up then
> I
> >>> will happily accept.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Whether the CEO has put to rest the issue of hacking to rest or not,
> still
> >> Sander has no moral authority to be part of any committee within the
> >> African
> >> Internet community.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In fact, it is laughable that Sander has even dreamt for being part of
> an
> >> appeal committee in the community of people he described as “Sheep”.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Doesn’t he know that birds with same feathers flock together? He should
> >> have
> >> reclused himself from our activities. “Sheep” would mind their own
> >> business
> >> because we don’t want him to be a “sheep” and as the popular expression
> >> says
> >> remind us that “show me your friend, I will tell you who you are”.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> He is not welcome!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Marcus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 10:43:25 AM
> >> To: Sander Steffann
> >> Cc: Sunday Folayan; Gert Döring; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Sunday,
> >>
> >>> The AFRINIC Board of Directors intends to establish an Appeal Committee
> >>> to
> >>> give effect to the requirements in section 3.5 of the Consolidated
> Policy
> >>> Manual (that is, the Conflict resolution portion of the Policy
> >>> Development
> >>> Process).
> >>>
> >>> The Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (version 1) is published at
> >>> https://afrinic.net/en/community/working-groups/policy-appeal
> >>>
> >>> The Board calls for comments on the Terms of Reference for a 30 day
> >>> period, ending on 19 August 2017. Comments may be sent to the RPD
> mailing
> >>> list <rpd at afrinic.net>.
> >>
> >> Thank you and the rest of the board for obviously putting a lot of
> thought
> >> and work into this. The result looks very good. As Owen pointed out
> there
> >> are always small improvements possible, but I think the board deserves
> >> this
> >> community's compliments for doing a good job :)
> >>
> >> If during the random selection for seat 3 and 4 my names comes up then I
> >> will happily accept.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Your name rings a bell many years when AfriNIC nomcom was hacked you
> were
> >> among this group which accessed non privileged information.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If it is the case your moral stand in our community is questionable. I
> may
> >> be wrong please remind me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Sander
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