[rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)

Fri Aug 4 10:25:21 UTC 2017

Members 

Can we please go back to the subject matter of the TORS.  The history of AfriNIC has allot of good behind it lets please try and keep the low moments out of our discussions.

I’d rather we have additive comments.  

Regards

On 8/4/17, 10:56 AM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

And another factual inaccuracy – I did not know it was open until Sander told me about it – nor did I ever subscribe to it.

Please – get your facts straight before throwing out accusations.

Secondly – how was he supposed to know it was a private list when he subscribed to it? Instead – when he found out – he informed myself and others of the fact that it was open – and it got fixed.

Andrew

From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 August 2017 10:34
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>; Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl>; Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; Gert Döring <gert at space.net>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> Jackson,
>
> I’m not going to go back into this issue – surfice to say – the list was
> publicly listed as an open subscription list on a page that could be found
> on google – you click on it – you hit subscribe – it subscribes you. Guess
> what – if I see a public mailing list that lets me hit subscribe and
> subscribes me – that is locatable on google – and that list looks
> interesting – then yeah – I see no problem subscribing to it.
>
> People who claim said list was hacked are a little confused – it’s the
> equivalent of saying that because someone googles and finds the RPD list and
> hits subscribe that they hacked into the RPD list. There was ZERO notice
> that that list was closed, that it was limited access, or anything else.

Thank you for this.

It was a private list and you (a sitting Board) and Sander (a sitting
RIPE Chair) discovered the list was open by accident.

A person of good integrity could have privately asked AfriNIC to
adjust configuration of that list in order to protect the institution
from embarrassment, rather than intentionally embarrass the
institution by making all those findings public.

J

> Last I heard – to hack into something – you had to do more than click on a
> bunch of publicly accessible links.
>
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> Andrew
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> From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 August 2017 09:31
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>; Sander Steffann
> <sander at steffann.nl>; Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; Gert Döring
> <gert at space.net>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>> Sorry, but right now, I am now appealing to someone to please enforce the
>> code of conduct.
>>
>> There is absolutely no call – nor right – to tell individuals who are
>> welcome and not welcome in the context of the RPD list that is an open
>> forum
>> to discuss policy and other issues.
>
> Stop being ridiculous.
>
> The context of Markus message pertains to Sander's offer of serving on
> appeal committee.
>
> You of all should have been banned on this list long ago for your
> repeated and sustained blatant attacks on other people here.
>
> By the way Andrew are you actually defending his action of having
> accessed the private information of AfriNIC and made it public?
>
> J
>
>> This is a blatant attack on the co-chair of another RIR, and I appeal to
>> the
>> co-chairs to act decisively against this behaviour and do something about
>> it.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mailto:madomey at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: 04 August 2017 01:25
>> To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>; Sander Steffann
>> <sander at steffann.nl>
>> Cc: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; Gert Döring <gert at space.net>; rpd
>>>> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Jackson,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> If during the random selection for seat 3 and 4 my names comes up then I
>>> will happily accept.
>>
>>
>>
>> Whether the CEO has put to rest the issue of hacking to rest or not, still
>> Sander has no moral authority to be part of any committee within the
>> African
>> Internet community.
>>
>>
>>
>> In fact, it is laughable that Sander has even dreamt for being part of an
>> appeal committee in the community of people he described as “Sheep”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn’t he know that birds with same feathers flock together? He should
>> have
>> reclused himself from our activities. “Sheep” would mind their own
>> business
>> because we don’t want him to be a “sheep” and as the popular expression
>> says
>> remind us that “show me your friend, I will tell you who you are”.
>>
>>
>>
>> He is not welcome!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 10:43:25 AM
>> To: Sander Steffann
>> Cc: Sunday Folayan; Gert Döring; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sunday,
>>
>>> The AFRINIC Board of Directors intends to establish an Appeal Committee
>>> to
>>> give effect to the requirements in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy
>>> Manual (that is, the Conflict resolution portion of the Policy
>>> Development
>>> Process).
>>>
>>> The Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (version 1) is published at
>>> https://afrinic.net/en/community/working-groups/policy-appeal
>>>
>>> The Board calls for comments on the Terms of Reference for a 30 day
>>> period, ending on 19 August 2017. Comments may be sent to the RPD mailing
>>> list <rpd at afrinic.net>.
>>
>> Thank you and the rest of the board for obviously putting a lot of thought
>> and work into this. The result looks very good. As Owen pointed out there
>> are always small improvements possible, but I think the board deserves
>> this
>> community's compliments for doing a good job :)
>>
>> If during the random selection for seat 3 and 4 my names comes up then I
>> will happily accept.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your name rings a bell many years when AfriNIC nomcom was hacked you were
>> among this group which accessed non privileged information.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it is the case your moral stand in our community is questionable. I may
>> be wrong please remind me.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
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>> Cheers,
>> Sander
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