[rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS

[Kris Seeburn]

+1 frank

Kris

> On 28 Jul 2017, at 11:15, Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>> On 7/28/2017 9:17 AM, Noah wrote:
>> We supporters of an updated Softlanding policy believe in the impact
>> that a public IP address can have on our peoples lives.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> Its a fact that an IP address has been responsible for the creation of
>> jobs and most of you if not all of you in this community in one way or
>> another are positively affected by the internet.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> [only few (AfriNIC staff) have the job of dealing with IPs in the bank]
> 
>> Our governements though the LIR's and PI resource members of  Afrinic
>> collect taxes from this businesses hence develop our respective countries.
> 
> only for delegated IPs...
> 
>> The IP address has enabled egoverment and now the administrative state
>> can serve citizens through egov services thereby increase government
>> effeciency and more and more of our African governments are putting
>> information online.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> The IP address is responsible for research and education institutes
>> today across the continent to communicate and share ideas and our
>> scholars are able to interact by means of the African Internet.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> The IP address has enabled access to information beyond our reach and
>> this access to information is enabling our people effect socio-economic
>> and political change.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> The IP address has enabled ecommerse and has empowered local fintech
>> innovations like mobile money which has fundamentally had a profound
>> effect on our peoples lives.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> The Internet that is a social media enabler has enabled young men and
>> women across this continent to access a local market and trade online on
>> ecommerce platforms where they dont have to own physical stores/shops
>> but they can market and sale their products online and deliver the same
>> to the buyers.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> With a surge in high unemployments rates across sub-sahara Africa, many
>> unemployed graduates are finding a reason to hope as platforms like
>> Instagram, facebook and others are enabling them to access followers who
>> in one or another have turned out to be a customer or client base.
> 
> ... but not when the IP address sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it
> gets used through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> Our local musicians today are reaching a far bigger audience that has
>> enabled them grow their artistic talent beyond Africa and our Afrobeat
>> music and house music is now listened and enjoyed by folks from all
>> works of life. They are enabling us change our story.
> 
> ... but not when the IP address sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it
> gets used through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> The IP address bas enables our friends who come to tour our beautiful
>> continent access to more local information about our various countries
>> thereby enabling us collect revenue and create jobs and build our
>> hospitality industry.
> 
> not when the status in the AfriNIC DB is "available"
> 
>> Lets not kid ourselves. As the vendors continue fixing the IPv6 software
>> stacks, IPv4 still works and IPv4 will not be less useful anytime soon
>> because vendors across the board still make a killing out of IPv4. 
> 
> But some time IPv4 addresses will be less useful than now.
> Do we want that to happen sooner or later?
> 
> 
>> Big telecoms have invested in legacy equipmemts and still returning
>> their investments.
> 
> Do they want to keep more IPv4 addresses longer with AfriNIC?
> I think not.
> 
>> Big internet companies that depends on global numbers which are mainly
>> still accessible via the IPv4 internet wont risk loosing this market.
> 
> Do they want more users connected on IPv4 this year or in 5 years?
> 
> 
>> Some startups will be seeking addresses to atleast support critical
>> infrastucture like DNS and Web servers if there is none from Afrinic,
>> you be forced to pay more expensively from those who have the space.
> 
> That above is the one part I agree with.
> 
>> Facebook, youtube,uber,twitter,google,instagram,apple,microsoft,airbnb
>> to name but a few are software companies that have created jobs and are
>> making millions of dollars and affecting lives because the Ip addresses
>> made it possible.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
> 
>> The IP address is what makes you and me pay our bills within our domain
>> of ICT.
> 
> ... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
> through delegation .... to RIR members
> 
>> There million dollar IPv4 transfer market is here to stay and late
>> entreprenuers and startups will pay more expensively for an IP address
>> post IPv4 exhaustion which could potentially discourage investment in
>> the IP related investments.
> 
> and the IPs will be more costly if we artificially keep more IPv4
> addresses out of reach.
> 
>> The last IPv4 address ought to be handled with care hence further
>> recommendation on how to deal with this depletion scenario.
> 
> Ok, i can give you one. One IPv4 address, take good care of it.
> ;-)
> 
>> We can deplete fast but if any one of you tomorrow wants IP addresses
>> and cant get them from Afrinic, you will be forced to dance to the IPv4
>> brokers pricing.
> 
> Fine. Just don't deny to LIRs what they need today.
> 
>> You will be forced to look up to IPv4 brokers  for address space and the
>> IPv4 broker will not trade space the same way Afrinic does.
> 
> Yes. It's a limited resource. Life is really not fair sometimes.
> 
>> IPv4 is still relevant than you will ever imagine save for the rhetoric
>> around how IPv4 is legacy and not needed meanwhile millions of dollars
>> are exchanging hands in the IPv4 tranfer market.
> 
> I agree it's needed, so let's give out IPs if they are needed.
> 
> I can tell you one organisation that probably won't need any more IP
> addresses than they currently use themselves: AfriNIC.
> But they have more in the bank, and have the job to give them to members
> who use them.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
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