[rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS

[Frank Habicht]

Hi all,

On 7/28/2017 9:17 AM, Noah wrote:
> We supporters of an updated Softlanding policy believe in the impact
> that a public IP address can have on our peoples lives.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> Its a fact that an IP address has been responsible for the creation of
> jobs and most of you if not all of you in this community in one way or
> another are positively affected by the internet.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members
[only few (AfriNIC staff) have the job of dealing with IPs in the bank]

> Our governements though the LIR's and PI resource members of  Afrinic
> collect taxes from this businesses hence develop our respective countries.

only for delegated IPs...

> The IP address has enabled egoverment and now the administrative state
> can serve citizens through egov services thereby increase government
> effeciency and more and more of our African governments are putting
> information online.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> The IP address is responsible for research and education institutes
> today across the continent to communicate and share ideas and our
> scholars are able to interact by means of the African Internet.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> The IP address has enabled access to information beyond our reach and
> this access to information is enabling our people effect socio-economic
> and political change.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> The IP address has enabled ecommerse and has empowered local fintech
> innovations like mobile money which has fundamentally had a profound
> effect on our peoples lives.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> The Internet that is a social media enabler has enabled young men and
> women across this continent to access a local market and trade online on
> ecommerce platforms where they dont have to own physical stores/shops
> but they can market and sale their products online and deliver the same
> to the buyers.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> With a surge in high unemployments rates across sub-sahara Africa, many
> unemployed graduates are finding a reason to hope as platforms like
> Instagram, facebook and others are enabling them to access followers who
> in one or another have turned out to be a customer or client base.

... but not when the IP address sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it
gets used through delegation .... to RIR members

> Our local musicians today are reaching a far bigger audience that has
> enabled them grow their artistic talent beyond Africa and our Afrobeat
> music and house music is now listened and enjoyed by folks from all
> works of life. They are enabling us change our story.

... but not when the IP address sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it
gets used through delegation .... to RIR members

> The IP address bas enables our friends who come to tour our beautiful
> continent access to more local information about our various countries
> thereby enabling us collect revenue and create jobs and build our
> hospitality industry.

not when the status in the AfriNIC DB is "available"

> Lets not kid ourselves. As the vendors continue fixing the IPv6 software
> stacks, IPv4 still works and IPv4 will not be less useful anytime soon
> because vendors across the board still make a killing out of IPv4. 

But some time IPv4 addresses will be less useful than now.
Do we want that to happen sooner or later?


> Big telecoms have invested in legacy equipmemts and still returning
> their investments.

Do they want to keep more IPv4 addresses longer with AfriNIC?
I think not.

> Big internet companies that depends on global numbers which are mainly
> still accessible via the IPv4 internet wont risk loosing this market.

Do they want more users connected on IPv4 this year or in 5 years?


> Some startups will be seeking addresses to atleast support critical
> infrastucture like DNS and Web servers if there is none from Afrinic,
> you be forced to pay more expensively from those who have the space.

That above is the one part I agree with.

> Facebook, youtube,uber,twitter,google,instagram,apple,microsoft,airbnb
> to name but a few are software companies that have created jobs and are
> making millions of dollars and affecting lives because the Ip addresses
> made it possible.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members


> The IP address is what makes you and me pay our bills within our domain
> of ICT.

... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used
through delegation .... to RIR members

> There million dollar IPv4 transfer market is here to stay and late
> entreprenuers and startups will pay more expensively for an IP address
> post IPv4 exhaustion which could potentially discourage investment in
> the IP related investments.

and the IPs will be more costly if we artificially keep more IPv4
addresses out of reach.

> The last IPv4 address ought to be handled with care hence further
> recommendation on how to deal with this depletion scenario.

Ok, i can give you one. One IPv4 address, take good care of it.
;-)

> We can deplete fast but if any one of you tomorrow wants IP addresses
> and cant get them from Afrinic, you will be forced to dance to the IPv4
> brokers pricing.

Fine. Just don't deny to LIRs what they need today.

> You will be forced to look up to IPv4 brokers  for address space and the
> IPv4 broker will not trade space the same way Afrinic does.

Yes. It's a limited resource. Life is really not fair sometimes.

> IPv4 is still relevant than you will ever imagine save for the rhetoric
> around how IPv4 is legacy and not needed meanwhile millions of dollars
> are exchanging hands in the IPv4 tranfer market.

I agree it's needed, so let's give out IPs if they are needed.

I can tell you one organisation that probably won't need any more IP
addresses than they currently use themselves: AfriNIC.
But they have more in the bank, and have the job to give them to members
who use them.

Frank