[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 130, Issue 31

Thu Jul 13 09:02:02 UTC 2017

Dear all,
In the same way as Patrick mention it, I fully agree with his
argumentation. I do also support this review policy proposal.

On 12 Jul 2017 11:01 a.m., <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>       Number Resources Review by AFRINIC" (Patrick Lufundisu)
>    2. Re: Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>       Number Resources Review by AFRINIC" (Fiona Asonga)
>    3. Re: Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>       Number Resources Review by AFRINIC" (Mike Silber)
>    4. Re: Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>       Number Resources Review by AFRINIC" (Kris Seeburn)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:14:38 +0100
> From: Patrick Lufundisu <patrickluf at gmail.com>
> To: Bope Domilongo Christian <christianbope at gmail.com>
> Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>         Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
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> Hello Eveyone,
>
> Bieng at Nairobi meeting Kenya AIS 2017 and followed the discussion on rpd
> list, this is a right moment for AfriNIC to have this review policy.
> Heading to IPv4 exhaustion this is review policy is more than important
>
> Therefore, i add my voice to the majority of this community in support of
> this review Policy.
>
> On 12 July 2017 at 10:01, Bope Domilongo Christian <
> christianbope at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > [Speaking on my own capacity]
> >
> > I have been in support of this review policy proposal since its inception
> > and have followed carefully the progression.
> > My support counted in those who made the policy proposal enter the last
> > call.
> >
> > I expect its adoption as this region really needs such a POLICY
> > specifically in post IPV4 transition and for the sake of transparency and
> > accountability of the management of public resources.
> >
> > With Best Regards,
> > Christian D. Bope
> >
> > On 12 July 2017 at 16:30, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m., "Bill Woodcock" <woody at pch.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 18 Against:
> >> "chenghn at chinaccsi.com" <chenghn at chinaccsi.com>
> >> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> >> Bastein Li <bastienlee at qq.com>
> >> Christopher Mwangi <christopher.mwangi at liquidtelecom.com>
> >> David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
> >> Derrick Harrison <derrick.harrison at sonictelecoms.co.za>
> >> Douglas Onyango <ondouglas at gmail.com>
> >> Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
> >> Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
> >> Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
> >> Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> >> McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >> Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> >> Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
> >> Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> >> S Moonesamy <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>
> >> Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Bill
> >>
> >> on the contrary, I actually support the policy just like other folks
> >> which is why it reached the last call. This policy would enable AFRINIC
> >> just like ARIN,  RIPE NCC and other RIR to effect compliance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So, the next question might be whether this is a winner-take-all vote,
> or
> >> an assessment of whether a clear consensus exists.
> >>
> >>
> >> We continue to trust the co-chairs who have guided us to this stage.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Noah
> >>
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> >>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:29:41 +0300 (EAT)
> From: Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke>
> To: David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>         Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
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> Hallo All
>
> I believe the challenge here is for the authors to demonstrate how they
> have accommodated the feedback received. If AFRINIC legal have raise issues
> that have not been addressed then clearly we are not solving anything. I
> recall the CEO asked the authors to work with Askok and agree on how to
> appropriately make amendments. It would be helpful if the issues that are
> raised are addressed since what is coming forth clearly is that our Review
> proposal is a resource de-registration proposal unlike the review proposals
> in the other RIR regions. In the interest of clarity it would help if the
> authors share a tabulation of comments and remedies provided for each.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Fiona
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hilario" <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
> To: "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz>
> Cc: "rpd List" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:06:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
> Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>
> On 12 July 2017 at 11:30, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m., "Bill Woodcock" <woody at pch.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 18 Against:
> > "chenghn at chinaccsi.com" <chenghn at chinaccsi.com>
> > Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> > Bastein Li <bastienlee at qq.com>
> > Christopher Mwangi <christopher.mwangi at liquidtelecom.com>
> > David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
> > Derrick Harrison <derrick.harrison at sonictelecoms.co.za>
> > Douglas Onyango <ondouglas at gmail.com>
> > Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
> > Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
> > Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
> > Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> > Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> > Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
> > Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> > S Moonesamy <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>
> > Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill
> >
> > on the contrary, I actually support the policy just like other folks
> which
> > is why it reached the last call. This policy would enable AFRINIC just
> like
> > ARIN,  RIPE NCC and other RIR to effect compliance.
> >
>
> Noah,
>
> This simply isn't true.
>
> ARIN and RIPE NCC review of their members are:
> A: non intrusive, they are not re-evaluating their allocations.
> B: not targeted at de-registration as a goal.
>
> Claiming that this is to align with the other RIR is misleading
> AFRINIC community as a whole, and when repeated so many times highly
> damaging to the notion of how the other RIR functions.
>
> There are fundamental difference between ARIN and RIPE NCC and their
> communities, but both sides are very keen on not having active LIR
> having their resources being re-evaluated for better use after they
> have been issued years ago.
>
> The so called de-registration page is about "fraud" where falsified
> documents were provided, usually, registration papers in take over of
> resources.
>
> RIR representatives were even asked about that at the last meeting in
> Mauritius, Leslie the ARIN Registration services manager confirmed,
> de-registration only happens in frauds.
>
> RIPE NCC never de-registers resources from an active LIR either,
>
> Repeating the same misinformation will not make the policies and
> procedures from the other RIR change.
>
>
>
> >
> > So, the next question might be whether this is a winner-take-all vote,
> or an
> > assessment of whether a clear consensus exists.
> >
> >
> > We continue to trust the co-chairs who have guided us to this stage.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Noah
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:56:01 +0200
> From: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> To: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>         Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
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> Fiona +1
>
> Let me state categorically, I have no objection to the ?principle? of a
> review policy.
>
> My objection is to the proposed implementation of the review that creates
> the potential for abuse for ulterior motives.
>
> I also object to the notion of de-registration of resources except in the
> case of fraud.
>
> There seem to be too many views of what problem this policy is meant to
> solve (and I hear different views from different supporters and even
> sometimes the same supporters depending on the occasion).
>
> I would really encourage the authors to go back and look at the purpose in
> the light of objections raised. I would also encourage them to drop the
> provisions that could be misused. As mentioned by many others - precedents
> from other RIRs are very instructive in this regard.
>
> Mike
>
> > On 12 Jul 2017, at 11:29, Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke> wrote:
> >
> > Hallo All
> >
> > I believe the challenge here is for the authors to demonstrate how they
> have accommodated the feedback received. If AFRINIC legal have raise issues
> that have not been addressed then clearly we are not solving anything. I
> recall the CEO asked the authors to work with Askok and agree on how to
> appropriately make amendments. It would be helpful if the issues that are
> raised are addressed since what is coming forth clearly is that our Review
> proposal is a resource de-registration proposal unlike the review proposals
> in the other RIR regions. In the interest of clarity it would help if the
> authors share a tabulation of comments and remedies provided for each.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Fiona
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:00:24 +0400
> From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>         Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
> Message-ID: <4899CDC7-7937-4B0F-8634-D61D33A6AF63 at gmail.com>
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>
> +1 mike
>
> > On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fiona +1
> >
> > Let me state categorically, I have no objection to the ?principle? of a
> review policy.
> >
> > My objection is to the proposed implementation of the review that
> creates the potential for abuse for ulterior motives.
> >
> > I also object to the notion of de-registration of resources except in
> the case of fraud.
> >
> > There seem to be too many views of what problem this policy is meant to
> solve (and I hear different views from different supporters and even
> sometimes the same supporters depending on the occasion).
> >
> > I would really encourage the authors to go back and look at the purpose
> in the light of objections raised. I would also encourage them to drop the
> provisions that could be misused. As mentioned by many others - precedents
> from other RIRs are very instructive in this regard.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >> On 12 Jul 2017, at 11:29, Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hallo All
> >>
> >> I believe the challenge here is for the authors to demonstrate how they
> have accommodated the feedback received. If AFRINIC legal have raise issues
> that have not been addressed then clearly we are not solving anything. I
> recall the CEO asked the authors to work with Askok and agree on how to
> appropriately make amendments. It would be helpful if the issues that are
> raised are addressed since what is coming forth clearly is that our Review
> proposal is a resource de-registration proposal unlike the review proposals
> in the other RIR regions. In the interest of clarity it would help if the
> authors share a tabulation of comments and remedies provided for each.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Fiona
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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