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[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

David Hilario d.hilario at
Wed Jul 12 13:53:11 UTC 2017

> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM, David Hilario
> <d.hilario at> wrote:
>> Ornella,
>> This is not at all what is defined as fraud over there.
>> Fraudulent company registration papers, forged documents to do merger and
>> acquisition are what is fraud.
>> And your definition of fraud here, would really be a far stretch.
>> I also do not believe IN a policy to rely entirely on the RSA.
>> Re-evaluation of resource is what this proposal here at AFRINIC is
>> offering which is not offered at the other RIRs.
>> Now, I already asked from Seacom, but this is valid for any LIR on this
>> list.
> Hi David,
> Can we please focus on the policy proposal itself and stop tossing around
> company names.
> Folk speak here in different capacities and references to specific companies
> is out of scope, so stop it please. If you will, use LIR x or LIR y for your
> references.

I see your point.
But I asked directly at one representative of that company, what the
stand would be over there.

>> Who has not yet filled up allocations issued more than two years ago?
>> Any of you is in policy violation, as those resources should had been used
>> up by now, any unused space from your allocations however small that is,
>> should then be returned, there is no 3 months period that will fix that.
> Typically within the LIR environment, when one customer Y churns today, it
> doesnt mean another customer X will not come around tomorrow to be
> reallocated resources.
> If customer X left today, resources they were using are allocated to another
> new customer Y for use. That is the nature of business.

That answers partially holes within an allocation, depending on how
the LIR distributes the resources from within their network and the
actual network distribution.
But not the fact that with this policy proposal, ANY LIR with unused
space within their allocation, regardless of the allocation size,
could be made to fragment and return that space, and this cannot be
"solved" in 3 months.

> Noah

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On 12 July 2017 at 16:26, Noah <noah at> wrote:

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