[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

[Ornella GANKPA]

Hi David

That is exactly the point. RIPE NCC and ARIN do deregister if there is
fraud. Wilful breach of the RSA *is* fraud. The policy makes that clear.
Last ressort at deregistering resources would only likely be in case of
fraud as most members should be able to work with AfriNIC to redress
issues (revealed by review).

The fact that the process for fraud is not in their review policies does
not mean they do not deregister. Neither does it mean that the policy
formats have to be the same.

Honest Ornella GANKPA

Le 12/07/2017 à 11:04, David Hilario a écrit :
> Hi Noah,
>
> Just to make it clear in regards to the repeated comments trying to
> justify this proposal by saying that RIPE NCC or ARIN are having a
> similar policy and practice.
>
> The video and the section where both ARIN and RIPE NCC are speaking:
>
> https://youtu.be/XBv44KAgFVQ?list=PLLJRUWAm1GCZAGzqiCzX2CRU7oqLDC9e5
>
> At around 08:27:50 Andrea Cima from RIPE NCC
> He goes on to explain that their reviews are called "ARC", and it is
> to keep in touch and keep data up to data, registry data, that is the
> contact details and so on.
> Investigation, that is part of the "fraud".
>
> 08:29:50 Leslie from ARIN.
> Explains the scope of their policy, they only Audit in Fraud cases
> only deregister in case of fraud.
>
> Neither the RIPE NCC or ARIN does a re-evaluation of the resources and
> questioning how the LIRs are currently using their resources.
> So, this was debunked at an AFRINIC meeting, I don't understand how it
> is still being spread like this.
>
> It is being ignored or forgotten by the people here on this list, but
> already stated publicly by RIRs registration services managers
> directly that it isn't within the scope of what they do.
>
>
> If you want to say AFRINIC can do it like RIPE NCC, simply copy the
> ARC procedure:
> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check
>
> Non-intrusive review of LIRs information and contacts, no
> re-evaluation of their ressources, no discrimination and categories,
> ALL LIRs.
>
> No one can really have any objections to that review system, other
> than the staff costs for it, but if done as a side project it should
> not be a problem to review 1500+ LIRs within a 2 to 3 years time.
>
> David Hilario
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>
> On 12 July 2017 at 11:30, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m., "Bill Woodcock" <woody at pch.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 18 Against:
>> "chenghn at chinaccsi.com" <chenghn at chinaccsi.com>
>> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> Bastein Li <bastienlee at qq.com>
>> Christopher Mwangi <christopher.mwangi at liquidtelecom.com>
>> David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
>> Derrick Harrison <derrick.harrison at sonictelecoms.co.za>
>> Douglas Onyango <ondouglas at gmail.com>
>> Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
>> Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
>> Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
>> Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>> McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
>> Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
>> Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
>> S Moonesamy <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>
>> Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bill
>>
>> on the contrary, I actually support the policy just like other folks which
>> is why it reached the last call. This policy would enable AFRINIC just like
>> ARIN,  RIPE NCC and other RIR to effect compliance.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, the next question might be whether this is a winner-take-all vote, or an
>> assessment of whether a clear consensus exists.
>>
>>
>> We continue to trust the co-chairs who have guided us to this stage.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Noah
>>
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