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<p>Hi David<br>
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That is exactly the point. RIPE NCC and ARIN do deregister if
there is fraud. Wilful breach of the RSA <b>is</b> fraud. The
policy makes that clear. Last ressort at deregistering resources
would only likely be in case of fraud as most members should be
able to work with AfriNIC to redress issues (revealed by review).<br>
<br>
The fact that the process for fraud is not in their review
policies does not mean they do not deregister. Neither does it
mean that the policy formats have to be the same.</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Honest Ornella GANKPA</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/07/2017 à 11:04, David Hilario a
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<pre wrap="">Hi Noah,
Just to make it clear in regards to the repeated comments trying to
justify this proposal by saying that RIPE NCC or ARIN are having a
similar policy and practice.
The video and the section where both ARIN and RIPE NCC are speaking:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtu.be/XBv44KAgFVQ?list=PLLJRUWAm1GCZAGzqiCzX2CRU7oqLDC9e5">https://youtu.be/XBv44KAgFVQ?list=PLLJRUWAm1GCZAGzqiCzX2CRU7oqLDC9e5</a>
At around 08:27:50 Andrea Cima from RIPE NCC
He goes on to explain that their reviews are called "ARC", and it is
to keep in touch and keep data up to data, registry data, that is the
contact details and so on.
Investigation, that is part of the "fraud".
08:29:50 Leslie from ARIN.
Explains the scope of their policy, they only Audit in Fraud cases
only deregister in case of fraud.
Neither the RIPE NCC or ARIN does a re-evaluation of the resources and
questioning how the LIRs are currently using their resources.
So, this was debunked at an AFRINIC meeting, I don't understand how it
is still being spread like this.
It is being ignored or forgotten by the people here on this list, but
already stated publicly by RIRs registration services managers
directly that it isn't within the scope of what they do.
If you want to say AFRINIC can do it like RIPE NCC, simply copy the
ARC procedure:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check</a>
Non-intrusive review of LIRs information and contacts, no
re-evaluation of their ressources, no discrimination and categories,
ALL LIRs.
No one can really have any objections to that review system, other
than the staff costs for it, but if done as a side project it should
not be a problem to review 1500+ LIRs within a 2 to 3 years time.
David Hilario
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On 12 July 2017 at 11:30, Noah <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><noah@neo.co.tz></a> wrote:
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On 12 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m., "Bill Woodcock" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:woody@pch.net"><woody@pch.net></a> wrote:
18 Against:
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chenghn@chinaccsi.com">"chenghn@chinaccsi.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chenghn@chinaccsi.com"><chenghn@chinaccsi.com></a>
Andrew Alston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a>
Bastein Li <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bastienlee@qq.com"><bastienlee@qq.com></a>
Christopher Mwangi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com"><christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com></a>
David Hilario <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net"><d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net></a>
Derrick Harrison <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:derrick.harrison@sonictelecoms.co.za"><derrick.harrison@sonictelecoms.co.za></a>
Douglas Onyango <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ondouglas@gmail.com"><ondouglas@gmail.com></a>
Kris Seeburn <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com"><seeburn.k@gmail.com></a>
Lu Heng <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com"><h.lu@anytimechinese.com></a>
Mark Elkins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za"><mje@posix.co.za></a>
Mark Tinka <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu"><mark.tinka@seacom.mu></a>
McTim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a>
Mike Silber <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com"><silber.mike@gmail.com></a>
Nishal Goburdhan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za"><nishal@controlfreak.co.za></a>
Noah <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><noah@neo.co.tz></a>
S Moonesamy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sm+afrinic@elandsys.com"><sm+afrinic@elandsys.com></a>
Saul Stein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za"><saul@enetworks.co.za></a>
Hi Bill
on the contrary, I actually support the policy just like other folks which
is why it reached the last call. This policy would enable AFRINIC just like
ARIN, RIPE NCC and other RIR to effect compliance.
So, the next question might be whether this is a winner-take-all vote, or an
assessment of whether a clear consensus exists.
We continue to trust the co-chairs who have guided us to this stage.
Cheers
Noah
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