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[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Fiona Asonga tespok at
Wed Jul 12 09:29:41 UTC 2017

Hallo All

I believe the challenge here is for the authors to demonstrate how they have accommodated the feedback received. If AFRINIC legal have raise issues that have not been addressed then clearly we are not solving anything. I recall the CEO asked the authors to work with Askok and agree on how to appropriately make amendments. It would be helpful if the issues that are raised are addressed since what is coming forth clearly is that our Review proposal is a resource de-registration proposal unlike the review proposals in the other RIR regions. In the interest of clarity it would help if the authors share a tabulation of comments and remedies provided for each. 

Kind regards


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hilario" <d.hilario at>
To: "Noah" <noah at>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

On 12 July 2017 at 11:30, Noah <noah at> wrote:
> On 12 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m., "Bill Woodcock" <woody at> wrote:
> 18 Against:
> "chenghn at" <chenghn at>
> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at>
> Bastein Li <bastienlee at>
> Christopher Mwangi <christopher.mwangi at>
> David Hilario <d.hilario at>
> Derrick Harrison <derrick.harrison at>
> Douglas Onyango <ondouglas at>
> Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at>
> Lu Heng < at>
> Mark Elkins <mje at>
> Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at>
> McTim <dogwallah at>
> Mike Silber <silber.mike at>
> Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at>
> Noah <noah at>
> S Moonesamy <sm+afrinic at>
> Saul Stein <saul at>
> Hi Bill
> on the contrary, I actually support the policy just like other folks which
> is why it reached the last call. This policy would enable AFRINIC just like
> ARIN,  RIPE NCC and other RIR to effect compliance.


This simply isn't true.

ARIN and RIPE NCC review of their members are:
A: non intrusive, they are not re-evaluating their allocations.
B: not targeted at de-registration as a goal.

Claiming that this is to align with the other RIR is misleading
AFRINIC community as a whole, and when repeated so many times highly
damaging to the notion of how the other RIR functions.

There are fundamental difference between ARIN and RIPE NCC and their
communities, but both sides are very keen on not having active LIR
having their resources being re-evaluated for better use after they
have been issued years ago.

The so called de-registration page is about "fraud" where falsified
documents were provided, usually, registration papers in take over of

RIR representatives were even asked about that at the last meeting in
Mauritius, Leslie the ARIN Registration services manager confirmed,
de-registration only happens in frauds.

RIPE NCC never de-registers resources from an active LIR either,

Repeating the same misinformation will not make the policies and
procedures from the other RIR change.

> So, the next question might be whether this is a winner-take-all vote, or an
> assessment of whether a clear consensus exists.
> We continue to trust the co-chairs who have guided us to this stage.
> Cheers
> Noah
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