[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

[Tutu Ngcaba]

Brother Lu

did you think of this linkedin whatevrr or this facebook  which will be one
to tell or not tell if someone existed. you lie again. even my grandfather
or father did not have this linkedin whatever does it meant they did not
exist. welcome to durban and we shall see if no tutu ngcaba existed in this
africa.

if the CCSI gave some loans here and there for this infrasture building in
our motherland, this shall not be free since loan shall be paid back.
Best Regards,
Tutu Ngcaba


On 28 Jun 2017 5:31 a.m., "Lu Heng" <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> http://www.chinaccsi.com/en/about_profile.php
>
> A little background about CCSI.
>
> CCSI is responsible for building basically entire China's
> telecommunication infrastructure(not only internet, but also message and
> voice), the company is listed publicly in Hong Kong, it has over 20
> sub-companies in AFRICA and present in over 20 AFRICAN countries.
>
> As data provided from http://www.sais-cari.org/
> data-chinese-loans-and-aid-to-africa/ , almost 7 billion USD of loan from
> China to Africa in telecommunication sector from 2000-2015 and increasing
> rapidly, without plus almost equal amount of aid that Chinese government
> provided to AFRICA, those money, mostly went to CCSI for building
> telecommunication infrastructure for all the countries they operated in.
>
> So, no, I am not a liar, and Please, working group Chair, should we
> tolerance such behavior in the mailing list that calling another community
> member liar?
>
> On a side note, Tutu, I couldn't find any credential about you all over
> the internet, you don't have a linkedin account, don't have a facebook
> account, you don't seems to be existed before this very mailing list, if
> you are doing as many community work as you claim to be, you should be all
> over the internet, While Omo states he is not comfortable about Chinese
> join the community discussion--even those Chinese are building
> telecommunication infrastructure in over 20 AFRINICAN countries with
> Chinese money, I am not very comfortable with persons that potentially does
> not exists in real life but just created for this very mailing list.
>
> But any of those are not relevant, policy should be addressed by counter
> argument, should not be addressed by personal attacks.
>
> You can attack me or Mr. Cheng even entire CCSI --who is the largest
> telecommunication infrastructure builder on this planet all you want, it
> will not make the policy pass as long as you don't address the argument
> have been raised.
>
> With regards.
>
> Lu
>
>
>
> On 28 June 2017 at 03:03, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> People,
>>
>> we are really getting out of subject. I would really like to hear sane
>> arguments. Please people i still believe that africa as intelligent people
>> and we don’t use other terms to say things because we ran out of arguments.
>>
>> As far as i am concerned we had a policy in place and if people respect
>> it fine but how do you really determine who is defaulting? Abusing
>> resources. let us be honest to ourselves and be fair to all.
>>
>> In your just sent email they have everything setup from end to end. Then
>> we Copy RIPE NCC policy but bear in mind and read that properly. It does
>> look like anything close to what is being proposed. With the upcoming GDPR
>> from Europe, i know from a govt meeting i assisted over privacy that to be
>> able to even deal with EU we need to adopt the same standards to be
>> considered a partner with Europe.
>>
>> Can we effectively run away from all these?
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Tutu Ngcaba <pan.afrikhan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 27 Jun 2017 8:15 p.m., "Mukom Akong T." <mukom.tamon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 27 June 2017 at 17:50, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr.Cheng have speaked in the policy discussion before, and attended few
>>> AFRINIC meetings, yes, they may not active following mailing list like some
>>> of your guys did, but their achievement that allows billions of AFRICAN to
>>> access internet in this very continent give them every rights to express
>>> their view on the policy.
>>
>>
>>
>> BILLIONS?!!!!
>> Africa has about 1.2 billion, not even half that number is online. So
>> that statement cannot be correct.
>>
>>
>> Brother Mukom
>>
>> you see this billion people lie also.
>>
>> i  am in shock how Lu will lie like this like this chinese company only
>> isp in africa. i can take one full day to get list of big isp in africa and
>> small. i am 100% sure this chinese company of  CCSI(China Comservice
>> International)' will not be one of them.
>>
>> yet Lu will lie and tell of how they shall invest to safe poor Africa
>> which resources stolen since the missionary come to Africa. even today the
>> oil of lybia is stolen.
>>
>> so will see even this ip address you will see with how afraid because no
>> billions customers to show.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Tutu Ngcaba
>>
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> Kind regards.
> Lu
>
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