[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 127, Issue 82

Fri Apr 14 07:28:02 UTC 2017

Hello all

After analyze, I can proudly say that we are all concerns about this draft,
no matter the issue of the policy, when.I see the amount of emails send,
that show how much the interest is,
I m really persuaded we willfound the issue because we have to found it.

The situations is serious

Serge parfait goma

Le 13 avr. 2017 10:27 PM, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :

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>    1. Re: New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown
>       (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)" (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
>    2. Re: Who is the guarantor of AFRINIC (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
>    3. Re: Correcting some misconceptions about the anti-shutdown
>       policy proposal (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
>    4. Re: [Community-Discuss] Who is the guarantor of AFRINIC (McTim)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:27:28 -0700
> From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com
> To: Ish Sookun <ish at lsl.digital>, rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown
>         (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"
> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170413152309.0d904e38 at elandnews.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Hi Ish,
> At 00:43 13-04-2017, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >I suppose you were searching for the article [1] about "Facebook
> >censorship" that occurred in 2007, right? I can access it.
>
> Thanks, I was able to access the news article.
>
> >The ICTA Authority figured in the newspaper headlines [2] and one
> >worrying incident is that of the seizure of several servers from the
> >premises of the authority by the Central Criminal Investigation Division.
>
> I recall reading about that in a newspaper.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:35:31 -0700
> From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com
> To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>, rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Who is the guarantor of AFRINIC
> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170413160822.07eef858 at elandnews.com>
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> Hi Arnaud,
>
> I'll comment on the French part of the message.
>
> At 05:26 13-04-2017, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> >French :
> >Chers membre de la communaute, Quel est le but
> >vise par les auteurs et les initiateurs de cet Article ???
>
> L'auteur de l'article de presse est le mieux
> place pour repondre a cette question.
>
> >Ont-il le droit de faire part d'un processus non
> >encore adopte a  l'exterieur, venant encore de
> >la part d'un membre du Board d'Afrinic c'est
> >innacceptable, n'y a-t-il plus de limite
> >a  AFRINIC, que les differents responsables
> >prennent leurs respponsabilites et rappellent a  l'odre les indelicats.
>
> Les lois de mon pays me permet de parler d'une
> proposition a l'exteriere du "working group".  Le
> processus ne serait pas transparent si les gens
> du "working group" n'ont pas le droit de parler
> d'une proposition a l'exteriere du "working group".
>
> L'article de presse contient le texte qui suit:
>
>    "The Afrinic proposal has been put forward by the CTO and the Head of
>     IP strategy for Liquid Telecommunications ? a large pan-African ISP
>     ? as well as the CEO of Kenya's main ISP Association."
>
> Le texte ne fait pas mention de "membre du Board".
>
> >Le nom d'AFRINIC a ete engage dans cet article
> >alors meme que le sujet en question ne soit
> >ratifie par la communaute d'AFRINIC ou par le BOARD.
>
> C'est aux personnes responsable de la
> communication de decider s'il y a lieu de faire
> des commentaires a propos de l'article de presse.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:59:10 -0700
> From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com
> To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Correcting some misconceptions about the
>         anti-shutdown policy proposal
> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170413163810.0ed51268 at elandnews.com>
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>
> Hi Arnaud,
> At 08:47 13-04-2017, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> >I am sad to see how AFRINIC is currently managed. There is no
> >restraint, no consideration for the community, the Board makes
> >decisions unilaterally, the CEO answers in the place of the authors
> >of a policy, the staff that starts to produce policy, co-chairs that seem
>
> It was not unusual for the ex-CEO to comment on this mailing
> list.  It is similar for the current CEO.
>
> There is a conflict of interest issue if the author of a proposal is
> employed by Afrinic Ltd.
>
> A proposal has been submitted and it is being discussed on the
> mailing list.  What was the unilateral decision of the Board in
> respect to the proposal?
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 20:06:50 -0400
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
>         AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Who is the guarantor of AFRINIC
> Message-ID:
>         <CACAaNxhh4EvO4cuhqJ5UN447f44DJe9Z+RpL7EVNk1agLdNqSw at mail.
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> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Where did I say I support Kieran?
> >
> > I simply indicated that the attempt to blame the policy authors for
> > Kieran's errors is unwarranted.
> >
>
>
> and the Register often has awful headlines that Kieran has no control over.
>
> If people are going to write proposals guaranteed to get media attention,
> we shouldn't be upset when the media gives attention!
>
> regards,
>
> McTim
>
>
> >
> > On 13 Apr 2017, at 20:35, Tutu Ngcaba <pan.afrikhan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Brother Mike Silber,
> >
> > That Kieren McCarthy Author writes mistakes that even in comments of that
> > bad article about the Afrinic, people have redicule the Afrinic and you
> can
> > see even the CEO of the Afrinic has made clarificarions to this McCarthy.
> >
> > Even the article title very misleading and call him well known. Maybe he
> > should not write about the Afrinic anymore. This is bad image for our
> > motherland.
> >
> > Someone even saying we will be like North Korea and such bad articles
> dont
> > even give solution. African is a different place my brothers, let us
> solve
> > our challengew ourselves.
> >
> > Why are you even supporting this McCarthy?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Tutu Ngcaba
> > Kwazulu Techno Hubs
> > South Africa
> >
> > On 13 Apr 2017 9:21 p.m., "Mike Silber" <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Arnaud
> >
> > Kieren McCarthy is a well known author and commentator on Internet
> issues.
> >
> > He follows various lists.
> >
> > This was a public policy proposal. Nothing to stop an external party from
> > picking it up.
> >
> > So please don't impute the authors of the proposal just because someone
> > wrote an article.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 at 2:27 PM Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> *English :*
> >>
> >> Dear member of the community, What is the aim of the authors and the
> >> initiators of this Article ???
> >>
> >> Do they have the right to share a process that has not yet been adopted
> >> externally, still coming from a member of the Board of Afrinic, is
> >> unacceptable, is there no longer any limit In AFRINIC, that the
> >> different leaders take their respononsibilities and remind to the order
> the
> >> indelices
> >>
> >> The name AFRINIC has been engaged in this article, even though the
> >> subject in question has not yet ratified by the community of AFRINIC or
> the
> >> BOARD.
> >>
> >>
> >> *French :*
> >> Chers membre de la communaut?, Quel est le but vis? par les auteurs et
> >> les initiateurs de cet Article ??? <https://www.theregister.co.uk/>
> >> Ont-il le droit de faire part d'un processus non encore adopt? ?
> >> l'ext?rieur, venant encore de la part d'un membre du Board d'Afrinic
> c'est
> >> innacceptable, n'y a-t-il plus de limite ? AFRINIC, que les diff?rents
> >> responsables prennent leurs respponsabilit?s et rappellent ? l'odre les
> >> ind?licats.
> >>
> >> Le nom d'AFRINIC a ?t? engag? dans cet article alors m?me que le sujet
> en
> >> question ne soit ratifi? par la communaut? d'AFRINIC ou par le BOARD.
> >>
> >>
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/>
> >> [image: Twitter]
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> >> Facebook] <https://www.facebook.com/VultureCentral> [image: G+]
> >> <https://google.com/+theregister> [image: LinkedIn]
> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-register>
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> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/emergent_tech/> Bootnotes
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/bootnotes/> [image: search]
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> >> Data Centre <https://www.theregister.co.uk/data_centre/> [image: Arrow]
> >> Networks <https://www.theregister.co.uk/data_centre/networks/>
> >> No more IP addresses for countries that shut down internet access
> Afrinic
> >> considers punitive policy for errant governments
> >> [image: reddit]
> >>
> >> <https://www.reddit.com/submit?url=https://www.
> theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/no_ip_addresses_for_countries/
> &title=No%20more%20IP%20addresses%20for%20countries%20that%20shut%20down%
> 20internet%20access>
> >> [image: Twitter]
> >>
> >> <https://twitter.com/share?text=No%20more%20IP%
> 20addresses%20for%20countries%20that%20shut%20down%
> 20internet%20access&url=https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/
> 04/12/no_ip_addresses_for_countries/&via=theregister>
> >> [image: Facebook]
> >> [image: linkedin]
> >>
> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&url=
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/no_ip_addresses_
> for_countries/&title=No%20more%20IP%20addresses%20for%
> 20countries%20that%20shut%20down%20internet%20access&
> summary=Afrinic%20considers%20punitive%20policy%20for%
> 20errant%20governments>
> >> 12 Apr 2017 at 19:54, Kieren McCarthy
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/Author/2886>
> >>
> >> Governments that cut off internet access to their citizens could find
> >> themselves refused new IP addresses under a proposal put forward by one
> of
> >> the five global IP allocation organizations.
> >>
> >> The suggested clampdown
> >> <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/
> policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01>
> >> will be considered at the next meeting of internet registry Afrinic in
> >> Botswana in June: Afrinic is in charge of managing and allocating IP
> >> address blocks across Africa.
> >>
> >> Under the proposal, a new section would be added to Afrinic's official
> >> rules that would allow the organization to refuse to hand over any new
> IP
> >> address to a country for 12 months if it is found to have ordered an
> >> internet shutdown.
> >>
> >> The ban would cover all government-owned entities and others that have a
> >> "direct provable relationship with said government." It would also cover
> >> any transfer of address space to those entities from others.
> >>
> >> That withdrawal of services would escalate if the country continued to
> >> pull the plug on internet access. Under the proposal: "In the event of a
> >> government performing three or more such shutdowns in a period of 10
> years
> >> ? all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no
> >> allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years."
> >>
> >> The proposal was sparked by a recent increase in the number of complete
> >> nationwide shutdowns of internet service ? something that has been a
> cause
> >> of increasing concern and ire within the internet infrastructure
> community.
> >> The start
> >>
> >> The trend started during the Egyptian revolution back in 2011 when
> >> authorities killed the entire's country web access
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/01/egypt_last_net_lost/> prior
> to
> >> a big protest march. Employees of ISPs and mobile phone companies
> reported
> >> troops turning up at their homes and pointing guns at their families in
> >> order to enforce the shutdown.
> >>
> >> Until then, many governments had assumed it was largely impossible to
> >> turn off internet access to their entire nation. Soon after, government
> >> departments educated themselves about AS numbers and internet routing
> and
> >> started using their power to set up systems that would allow them to
> order
> >> the shutdown of all networks from a central point.
> >>
> >> While some countries only used this ability in the more dire
> >> circumstances ? riots or terrorist attacks ? shutdowns quickly started
> >> being used preemptively and for political reasons.
> >>
> >> Bangladesh switched off
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/bangladesh_
> shuts_down_its_internet_for_an_hour/>
> >> its entire country's net connectivity prior to the sentencing of former
> >> government leaders for war crimes. Then Iraq started shutting down the
> >> entire country for several hours at a time in order to prevent exam
> >> cheating
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/17/iraq_shuts_down_
> internet_to_prevent_exam_cheating/>
> >> .
> >>
> >> While these were enormously frustrating, the shutdown typically lasted
> >> only a few hours. But then Cameroon decided to cut off the internet for
> >> weeks ? and targeted specific communities. The country's southwest and
> >> northwest provinces were taken offline following violent protests: a
> >> decision that had a hugely damaging impact on its "Silicon Mountain"
> >> startup zone, and also took down its banks and ATMs.
> >>
> >> In India, the number and frequency of internet shutdowns has sparked a
> >> new protest movement and website <http://internetshutdowns.in/> that
> >> tracks them.
> >>
> >> The situation has grown so dire that the United Nations got involved
> and officially
> >> condemned
> >> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/01/un_officially_
> condemns_internet_shutdowns/>
> >> the practice at a meeting of the Human Rights Council back in July.
> Despite
> >> opposition from a number of countries ? including China, Russia, India
> and
> >> Kenya ? a resolution passed forbidding mass web blockades.
> >> Plan
> >>
> >> The reality, however, is that there is nothing to prevent governments
> >> from shutting down the internet and very little anyone can do in the
> face
> >> of a determined push from the authorities.
> >>
> >> But now the techies are fighting back. The Afrinic proposal has been put
> >> forward by the CTO and the Head of IP strategy for Liquid
> >> Telecommunications ? a large pan-African ISP ? as well as the CEO of
> >> Kenya's main ISP Association. As such it is a proposal that many are
> taking
> >> seriously.
> >>
> >> "While the authors of this policy acknowledge that what is proposed is
> >> draconian in nature, we feel that the time has come for action to be
> taken,
> >> rather than just bland statements that have shown to have little or no
> >> effect," they wrote, noting that "over the last few years we have seen
> more
> >> and more governments shutting down the free and open access to the
> internet
> >> in order to push political and other agendas."
> >>
> >> Whether governments like it or not, they are reliant on the provision of
> >> IP address to expand their networks and digital economy, and Afrinic is
> the
> >> only organization that can realistically provide them. If the policy
> does
> >> get passed, it would almost certainly act as a strong deterrent for
> >> government ministers to shutting down internet access.
> >>
> >> But there are a wealth of problems with the idea, not least of which
> >> would be the determination of what represents an internet shutdown. The
> >> authors put forward a suggested definition:
> >>
> >> An internet shutdown is deemed to have occurred when it can be proved
> >> that there was an attempt, failed or successful, to restrict access to
> the
> >> internet to a segment of the population irrespective of the provider or
> >> access medium that they utilize.
> >>
> >> That wording is likely to be very heavily scrutinized. And it would
> >> require someone or group to make a determination that it has happened ?
> >> which would likely become a politically charged decision. And none of
> that
> >> considers the fact that national leaders are unlikely to accept punitive
> >> terms being placed against them by a third party.
> >>
> >> In short, it is a huge political headache. But it may also be one that
> >> only the internet community is capable to taking on and winning. The
> next
> >> few months will see whether the 'net community in Africa is willing to
> take
> >> on the challenge for the greater good. ?
> >>
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