[rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"

Thu Apr 13 21:14:17 UTC 2017

Dear Community,

Dear members,

Please be assured that the PDWG Co-chairs are following ongoing conversations regarding internet number resource policy proposal drafts. 

Policy proposals are posted to the rpd list so that community members can discuss and help authors refine their drafts to the point where the problems they seek to solve can be addressed by a more refined proposal document (if indeed there is a problem). Of course there is also the alternative scenario in which the community fails to move forward on a proposal. 

PDWG members should do what they can to help everyone see the ramifications that proposal authors possibly did not consider in their drafts. If all contributions are made without prejudice, the community will end up with a more robust policy proposal (if indeed the problem can be solved by policy and the authors are willing to incorporate reasonable input). 

It is unreasonable to expect the co-chairs to dive into commentaries at every turn; neither is it good for the flow of conversation. 

Healthy discussions are ongoing and we hope that proponents and community members continue to engage respectfully for the good of the Internet and our region. 

Again, we would like to emphasize that any/everyone who is interested in policy is free to contribute in discussions regardless of location, elected position (with the exception of PDWG chairs), or employment. Keeping the discussions open helps us take advantage of everyone's perspectives.

That being said, it is you the community that ultimately decides on adoption, refinement or rejection of policy proposals. If there is no sense of acceptance by the community, a PDWG-originated proposal does not get sent to the AFRINIC Board for ratification. 

We thank you all for your contributions and encourage you to keep the discussions going in a respectable and constructive manner.

Best Regards,

PDWG Co-chairs

----- David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net> wrote:
> English:
> There has sadly been many separate threads outside of the scope of the proposal.
> 
> A lot of eyes are on the AFRINIC community now, lets show the world
> that this community is not about fighting policy authors, but about
> fighting for ideas and common goals.
> 
> Only the content and intent of the policy proposal should be
> discussed, it is great that AFRINIC is the first RIR to now have an
> open discussions on these very sensitive topic.
> 
> From the proposal itself, the part that I would like to see more
> debated is the "revoking" of the resources, if "revoking" implies
> de-registering the resources issued to an LIR, this is very severe, as
> it would basically revoke entire organisations from the Internet.
> 
> In the case of Egypt, it would mean that Egypt telecom which according
> to various sources online is owned at 80% by the Egyptian government
> would see its resources de-registered, leaving millions of private
> citizens without proper IP addressing schemes and off course
> hospitals, schools and companies etc...
> 
> Once the "ban" on service gets lifted by AFRINIC after 5 years,
> nothing assures that AFRINIC would even be able to issue those
> resources back to the LIRs, as it may not even be possible under the
> policies to restore these resources.
> 
> I don't believe that such consequences raining down on the users is
> justified and would even be counterproductive.
> 
> 
> Francais:
> Malheureusement, il y a eu beaucoup de discussion en dehors du champ
> de la proposition.
> 
> Beaucoup d'yeux sont en ce moment sur la communauté AFRINIC, montrons
> au monde que cette communauté ne combats pas les auteurs de policys,
> mais combats pour des idées et des objectifs communs.
> 
> Seul le contenu et l'intention de la proposition de la policy
> devraient être discutés, il est formidable que AFRINIC soit le premier
> RIR à avoir maintenant une discussion ouverte sur ce sujet très
> sensible.
> 
> Pour la proposition elle-même, la partie que j'aimerais voir plus
> débattue est la «revoke» des ressources, si la «révocation» implique
> le désenregistrement des ressources pourvue à un LIR, c'est très
> grave, et cela révoquerait tout accès a Internet pour ces
> organisations.
> 
> Dans le cas de l'Égypte, cela signifierait que Egypte Telecom qui,
> selon diverses sources en ligne, appartient a  80% au gouvernement
> égyptien verront leurs ressources désenregistrer, laissant des
> millions de citoyens privés sans addresses IP et aussie des hôpitaux,
> écoles, entreprises etc ...
> 
> Une fois que le «blocage» sur les services est levée par AFRINIC après
> 5 ans, rien ne garantit que AFRINIC pourrait même restaurer ces
> ressources aux LIR, car il ne seras peut être même pas possible, dans
> le cadre des policy, de restaurer ces ressources.
> 
> Je ne crois pas que de telles conséquences pour les utilisateurs sont
> justifiées et seraient même contre-productives.
> 
> 
> David Hilario
> 
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> 
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> 
> On 13 April 2017 at 17:35, Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> > Just for the sake of clarity.
> >
> >
> >
> > The authors had no contact with theregister before that article went live –
> > and we note certain factual inaccuracies in what was published and will
> > reach out to get them corrected.
> >
> >
> >
> > That being said – at the request of other media organisations – the authors
> > have chosen to give their perspectives.  So far one such article has
> > actually been published and can be found here:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://qz.com/957821/a-proposal-to-africas-internet-registry-afrinic-aims-to-deny-governments-ip-addresses-for-shutting-down-the-internet/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com]
> > Sent: 13 April 2017 17:21
> > To: Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>; Bope Domilongo Christian
> > <christianbope at gmail.com>
> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; rpd
> > <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown
> > (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"
> >
> >
> >
> > Arsene
> >
> >
> >
> > The community should be wary not to be played.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/13/17, 3:59 PM, "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just read the article on theregistry.co.uk, a UK mainstream media, while no
> > African newspaper thought of publishing it (or are they even aware of the
> > ongoing discussion?) I simply love it and the way they put it. Anyone who is
> > not familiar with this process will think it is something the AFRINIC Board
> > is working on, rather than a simple proposal put forward by three community
> > members (even if authors were mentioned as well).
> >
> > Not wanting to point any connections is this not the same media house that
> > published a private email to discredit a member of the community not long
> > ago. ??
> >
> >
> >
> > And again this is the same media house that has historically published
> > information about AfriNIC where a certain member of the community is
> > involved…..just saying
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In my opinion, authors of this article made it sound like a warning to
> > African governments, that Afrinic is working on a policy that will punish
> > them if they dare shutting down the Internet; which is beautiful! I am sure
> > if some governments read it, their impression (or trust) on afrinic will
> > start to be altered (as many people have pointed out on this list).
> >
> > This surely is something for the governance committee to look into.
> >
> >
> >
> > A touch of “Tilapia” arround this whole policy proposal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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